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Offline rich pierce

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Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« on: April 24, 2025, 04:32:28 PM »
Striking out at Midway and Grafs. Prefer not to spend $40 a pound plus fees but am running low.
Andover, Vermont

Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2025, 04:49:00 PM »
Striking out at Midway and Grafs. Prefer not to spend $40 a pound plus fees but am running low.

It's more or less a captive market and I am old enough to remember when DuPont 3fg was $1.50 in the oval cans.
I haven't bought any for decades but still have some and am wondering what the NMLRA sells it for at the Spring and
Fall matches.I know our currency is collapsing but $40 a pound sounds like a gouge of the first rank.
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Offline Dave Marsh

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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2025, 05:17:45 PM »
https://www.powdervalley.com/product-category/muzzleloading/black-powder-substitutes/

They have some in stock.  Pretty close to $40.  Not sure about fees. 
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2025, 05:55:20 PM »
Wait for a free hazmat sale and it gets a good bit cheaper. 

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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2025, 09:03:15 PM »
https://www.powdervalley.com/product-category/muzzleloading/black-powder-substitutes/

They have some in stock.  Pretty close to $40.  Not sure about fees.

Amazing how much they have listed that is out of stock.  And some of their synthetic powders are totally ridiculous in price.  I am like Bob, but I never bought the oval can DuPont, but I did buy powder in the late 60's for $1.98 a pound.  It used to be pretty reasonable to shoot muzzleloaders, but now...  Well, I think I am glad I don't have my big bores to feed at 200 to 400 grains per shot.  They would probably just be wall hangers now if I still had them.
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2025, 10:22:23 PM »
I figure I average 100 shots per pound. At $35 per pound of powder shipped that’s 35 cents per shot I guess. If shooting a .54 at 32 balls per pound the lead costs me about $6.50 per hundred shots or 6.5 cents per shot. So, 40 cents per shot more or less. 25 shots at the range or competition for $10-$12; price of a burger. But arithmetic was never my strong point so I could be off.
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2025, 01:28:24 AM »
I think $40.00 was the last price I payed - about 6 or 7 years ago.
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Offline Jeff Murray

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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2025, 04:15:11 AM »
If you really need some, Coonie's in Hobbs New Mexico has been a reliable source over the years.

Offline Martin S.

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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2025, 05:56:42 AM »
powderinc.com

Offline Keith Zimmerman

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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2025, 04:30:58 PM »
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2025, 03:28:19 AM »
Buffalo Arms. They give an additional discount for 10 lbs. or more.
https://www.buffaloarms.com/black-powder.html

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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2025, 03:38:15 AM »
Thanks, everyone!
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2025, 02:05:17 PM »
If you think $40. a pound is high then take a look at smokeless powders. Some of that is going for $80. or so. I'm glad I made a couple of good buys several years ago of 2f,3f, and 4f. At my age now I should have enough to last me till I go under.
I would consider buying a case because I don't think it will get any  cheaper.
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2025, 05:14:07 PM »
Many smokeless powders here were well over $100.00 per pound before tariffs. Maybe even higher now, don't know - got some.
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2025, 05:41:33 PM »
It almost seems that these shortages and price increases are purposed ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2025, 06:00:42 PM »
There might not be that much bang for the buck in the black powder making business. BP substitutes have taken a big chunk of the muzzleloader propellant market with folks who primarily hunt deer as an extra season using guns we don’t discuss here. It would be interesting to know trends in how much BP is consumed here by shooters since the 1970s. A lot of shooting clubs are diminishing in numbers over the past 10 years. Others are doing well.
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2025, 06:36:35 PM »
There might not be that much bang for the buck in the black powder making business. BP substitutes have taken a big chunk of the muzzleloader propellant market with folks who primarily hunt deer as an extra season using guns we don’t discuss here. It would be interesting to know trends in how much BP is consumed here by shooters since the 1970s. A lot of shooting clubs are diminishing in numbers over the past 10 years. Others are doing well.

Food for thought....However, with the rising cost of smokeless powders, primers and casings the BP segment is not the only one feeling the pinch so to quote Buffalo Springfield, "there's something happening here".... :D.......With that said, I totally agree that the BP market is in decline which could effect things. Back when I was a young man it was fast growing, along with traditional archery. It seemed that wherever you turned someone was going afield with a new TC, CVA, or Lyman rifle.Parts, barrels and stocks abounded and they were reasonable. I became so enamoured with traditional tackle 35 years ago that I sold off all my modern rifles, shotguns and pistols, opting instead for long guns, smoothbores and BP revolvers and pistols. Longbows and recurves became my early season weapons and still are, and till this very day, and the only guns I take afield are loaded from the muzzle and nothing has changed. Trips to the Traditional Archery gatherings and Dixon's yearly event were delightful for the wife and I.

But alas, the world around us has changed. Young able bodied men going afield with crossbows, "Muzzle loaders" that look like tactical weapons that can shoot further than I can see, and graphite arrows being launched from "traditional longbows". Whats a fellow to do?... :(

When I speak of the ALR to my friends I call it out of affection....the "old man page" I belong to. Old men in the sense that they are the last to remember that "Golden era" of American history when men took to the old time tested ways to go afield. When the destination was nowhere near and dear to our hearts as the journey was. 
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2025, 07:01:09 PM »
That inline 'segment' of the black powder community is very small here in B.C., at least up here in the North.  There are many more people shooting actual black powder than the subs.
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2025, 02:37:45 PM »
I’m looking at buying more percussion guns since pyrodex is still pretty cheap, my first love will always be flintlocks.

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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2025, 07:35:18 PM »
You do realize Pyrodex is 17% perchlorates and that fouling produced is EXTREMELY corrosive.
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Offline Joey R

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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2025, 08:04:13 PM »
I personally wouldn’t use Pyrodex in a junk cannon. It’s like acid in the bore. Apologies for getting off original topic.
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2025, 06:56:05 PM »
Has anyone used a base charge of real back powder and a main load of whatever ersatz powder they might have? I have duplexed loads for BPCR but only for practice.I still think shooting 25 yards in a rifle is a waste of powder and lead but that's just opinion.
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2025, 02:37:35 PM »
Well, let’s hope we get some new black powder companies to produce powder here in the USA.
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2025, 03:01:18 PM »
I still think shooting 25 yards in a rifle is a waste of powder and lead but that's just opinion.
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Re: Where are 2F and 3F black powder for sale now?
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2025, 06:34:00 AM »
I just bought some Swiss from grafs for $40/pound with their free shipping/hazmat sale. I've got a special elk tag for this fall so I'll be burning up lots of powder over the coming months practicing. Even at that price, it still feels very affordable compared to feeding a CF rifle