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Offline snapper

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Rust browning and making damascus "pop"
« on: June 04, 2025, 03:13:05 AM »
Anyone have a good process to brown old barrels and make the damascus figures "pop"?

I have rust blued and browned quite a few new barrels, what I am looking for is how to bring out the figure.

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Re: Rust browning and making damascus "pop"
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2025, 02:58:08 PM »
Hi Snapper,
There are lots of "secret" formulae out there (Gaddy's for example) but it is more the prep of the barrel and how the acid solution is applied than the solutions themselves.  Almost any good browning solution will work.  I use Wahkon Bay but have also used TOW True Brown.  I dilute the solution almost 25% with distilled water and an additional 10-15% with isopropyl alcohol.  I polish the barrel with 600 to 1200 grit wet sand paper then burnish it with 0000 steel wool.  I take care in that process not to lose any markings. I degrease the barrel and suspend it by the ends.  With a cotton swab I apply the diluted browning sparingly making only a single pass.  Then I let the barrel rust for no more than 6 hours depending on temp and humidity.  I just want a very fine coat of rust not big scales. I card the barrel using a soft stainless steel wheel by Grobet turned on my lathe at no more than 600 RPM.  I don't want any heat build up.  Then I coat the barrel again and let it rust for no more than 4 hours before carding.  This is a very slow process and may take 20 or more cycles to achieve a good translucent brown that highlights the pattern.  That process produces the usual dark plum colored brown.  However, I usually want a redder color so after a couple of cycles I card the barrel and then pour scalding (NOT BOILING) water over it , let it dry, and apply the next coat of brown.  That produces a redder color.  To finish the process, I wash the barrel, dry it and warm it with a heat gun.  When warm I apply Sutherland-Welles tung oil mixed with beeswax.  I let that dry and buff it.

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Re: Rust browning and making damascus "pop"
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2025, 04:26:37 PM »
This is what I am trying for.'

Dave, I realize color will vary, but does your method result with the vivid pattern being visible somewhat like this?

Thanks

Fleener




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Re: Rust browning and making damascus "pop"
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2025, 05:29:40 PM »
I do much as Smart Dog described, with the addition of using diluted (4%-7%) ferric chloride to etch the  barrels.  The solution is wiped on in a single pass with a damp swab, then neutralized by wiping off almost immediately (I try for ~4-5 seconds) using a swab dipped in baking soda and water.  Depending on the pattern and the individual barrels, and how fast the browning is progressing, I etch every 2-4 browning cycles.   

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Re: Rust browning and making damascus "pop"
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2025, 07:02:47 PM »
Hi Snapper,
It will bring out the pattern but Habu's suggestion for etching with Ferric Chloride is a good one.  It may work better with those very fine pattern welds.  I am mostly working with stub twist barrels in which the patterns are not as fine or intricate.  Here is an example done by Pete Mazur using his method which is very similar to what I do.








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Re: Rust browning and making damascus "pop"
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2025, 07:20:12 PM »
Get a book.  "Firearm Blueing and Browning" by R.H. Angier.  1936.  There are reprints, it is pretty common.  There is lots of information on the subject with chemical formulas. 

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Re: Rust browning and making damascus "pop"
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2025, 10:52:19 PM »
Thanks, got the book on order.

I have some ferric chloride and have used it on damascus knife blades to etch and make the figure show up better.

With the knife blades I simply wipe the solution on and use wet steel wool to knock the black back till you get the contrast you are looking for.   Kinda like getting the curl to stand out on a maple stock.

I assumed that I would be using ferric chloride on the barrels in some manner as well.

Anyone else using rubbing alcohol as part of your mixture?  Dave, any idea on what that is doing for you?

Appreciate all the help and any other advice.

Fleener

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Re: Rust browning and making damascus "pop"
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2025, 10:57:58 PM »
Hi Snapper,
I want the solution dilute but not just with water which would take a long time to dry and potentially run.  The alcohol speeds up the drying and breaks surface tension of water on the metal allowing the solution to spread evenly.

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Re: Rust browning and making damascus "pop"
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2025, 11:04:06 PM »
You will enjoy that book.  One caution, lots of old browning and blueing formulas contained mercuric chloride.  Do not use any of those.  Mercury salts are to toxic for the home shop. 

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Re: Rust browning and making damascus "pop"
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2025, 11:06:01 PM »
Dave

Perfect, thank you.

I was trying to think chemically what it would do in a solution. 

I use rubbing alcohol instead of water when forming my leather knife sheaths as it speeds up the drying process as well.

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Re: Rust browning and making damascus "pop"
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2025, 11:13:14 PM »
Thanks for the warning.  No mercuric chloride in my future.    I did check and you can get it from Amazon.   Ferric Chloride is also available from Amazon.

I am a "shop local" kind of guy, but man Amazon makes it easy.   Needed a new carburetor for a lawn mower we are taking to our son's first home tomorrow in IL.  Tried to buy it from the local Toro dealer, but not in stock.   Ordered it at 4 pm yesterday from Amazon and delivered at 6 am this morning.  Mower runs great now.

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Re: Rust browning and making damascus "pop"
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2025, 05:19:09 PM »
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No mercuric chloride in my future.
I've still got several bottles of Birchwood Casey Plum Brown that contained it.  Used it quite a bit in the past, as did many others.  Never heard of any fatalities' if used as directed.  FeCl used to be available from Radio Shack but I think most of them are gone now.

I've got several recipes for coloring damascus archived somewhere and will send them to you if I can find em.  The damascus lock I made for my Alex Henry was colored with FeCl.  It's gray and black, not brown, but that's the color I was going for.


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Re: Rust browning and making damascus "pop"
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2025, 05:22:50 PM »
Radio Shack is where I got mine from years ago.

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