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Offline Lead Snowstorm

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New to me long rifle
« on: July 12, 2025, 11:40:04 PM »
Greetings all - after a long time lurking I finally decided to dip my toes into the deep water.  My first long rifle arrived today, would welcome any opinions/information ya'll can give and can definitely get more pictures as indicated!

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Overall length 59"; barrel length a hair over 43".  Weight 7 lbs 15 oz.  Caliber .46; bore appears smooth; barrel not swamped, 0.84-0.86" wide and full-length octagonal; incised carvings, relatively unadorned patchbox.  Barrel is unsigned.



































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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2025, 11:56:32 PM »
I’m not a late Lehigh rifle expert but this one looks like a dandy to me.
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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2025, 12:03:31 AM »
A classic Lehigh with the Indian head/Lady Liberty carving.  What a great first gun to start collecting!  Congratulations.

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2025, 12:28:53 AM »
What a fine rifle for your first one, and a nice Lehigh with some bells and whistles to boot!
Congratulations, and hope you hang around here.
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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2025, 02:59:56 PM »
Jeez...and I thought my first long rifle was a nice one.  It is but not like this!  It all looks original and un-messed with based on the photos although I'm pretty sure the stock has been refinished. Assuming so, it was done reasonably well and none of the detail and little of any wear or distress was obliterated as often occurs.  Congratulations are indeed in order on such a nice score. 

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2025, 07:55:14 PM »
VERY nice rifle.
When enlarged, I think I am seeing a fresh scrape or 2 on the face of the frizzen.
Not sure what I am seeing through the vent.  Did you check to see if it was loaded? Many old guns are.
The bore,  although appearing to have a short cone at the muzzle, also appears to have lands and grooves below that.

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2025, 09:47:17 PM »
Thanks all for comments!  Yes, definitely unloaded.  Checked first with the rod, which goes all the way to the touchhole, and I also have a small bore light which is visible through the hole as well.  The photo is mostly just to show that region for any sign of reconversion.  I don't think this is reconverted, although I will admit that my past collecting has focused on military longarms, and I find the reconversions from the military cone-in-barrel to be far easier to detect than the bolster or drum conversions.

The scrapes are from me - I do check mechanics on everything I get - for this one, the spring is a bit weak.  It will strike a spark, but will not fully open the frizzen.  Will get the lock off to take a peak inside in the next few days.

And I will definitely go back for a closer look at the bore - I have a borescope around here somewhere, will have to dig it out.

Regarding the stock, I wouldn't be surprised if it was refinished.  The wood is a tad recessed at the buttplate.  Fortunately the regions near the tang, triggerguard, and sideplate haven't been sanded into oblivion, as with some older guns I've seen.

The barrel wall thickness is what is impressing me most at first impression.  Most of my smoothbore muskets have much thinner walls and the center of gravity is much further to the rear; this gun is very front heavy compared to them.  It handles more like an older matchlock I have from the late 30 Years War period, when the stocks were becoming more rudimentary.  The other gun I would have to compare it to is the Model 1866 2nd Allin conversion trapdoors - those had barrels lined to reduce them to .50 caliber from .58 and as a result are more front heavy than one would expect.  Of course, it is much more slender and refined than those military guns.

I have to say, although admittedly a novice in the long rifle realm, for me the Lehigh rifles just appear exactly how an American long rifle should.

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2025, 11:11:57 PM »
Lehighs definitely are of a certain style loved by many.
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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2025, 01:13:23 AM »

Regarding the stock, I wouldn't be surprised if it was refinished.  The wood is a tad recessed at the buttplate. 

Wood shrinkage around the butt plate is very common.
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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2025, 07:10:37 AM »
The shrinkage around the butt plate appears normal to my eye.
It definitely IS s beautiful rifle, just not my favourite style, it's only drawback. LOL
Be a PROUD custodian for now. 8)
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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2025, 01:51:48 AM »
 :o 8) 8).. Well Done, great find, and congratulations... !!! ... I have often said that if I didn't like East Tennessee rifles so much, I would collect Lehigh guns.... great style... !!! ... regards... CCF

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2025, 04:49:36 AM »
That's probably a Clause/Klaus rifle (especially in consideration of the decoration), although I'm still trying to dig up period info to pin down the actual family members that may have been involved in gunmaking.
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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2025, 09:08:04 AM »
I believe I owned this rifle for a short time. Look at the barrel closely, if it’s the same rifle it will be signed Clauss. You may need to chalk it to assist in locating it.

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2025, 02:52:26 PM »
I will definitely take another look, if there I totally missed it at first glimpse.

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2025, 04:51:43 AM »
What a treasure 😍

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2025, 07:22:17 AM »
Went over the barrel with some chalk, still unable to find anything.  Since I'm new to these, perhaps I'd better check my assumptions - I've been looking most closely behind the rear sight.  Are these signed in front of the rear sight?

Also I did find the older thread on the Clauss (+ variant spellings) family.  Would first quarter 19th century be a reasonable date for this one?

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2025, 05:14:32 PM »
Between the breech and the rear sight. Another method is with penetrating oil and a brass strap. Apply oil and run the strap like a scraper very gently. The brass is soft and will collect in any pores or crevices. Eventually it will expose the signature. Chalk and an ultraviolet light works better, the brass strap method will clean the “patina”. I thought I saw remnants of something closer to the breech forward the lock in the photos, if this is the rifle the signature is there but very faint.

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2025, 08:44:59 PM »
Ok, I have been trying with crayon and chalk with limited success, did a rubbing with paper and pencil, and got a few pictures.  Have tried to enhance some of the pics.  This is the spot on top of the barrel just ahead of the lock, the area seen in photo #9 of my first post.  If there was a signature I think this is the only possible remnant, and it seems incomplete with what I’ve done so far:









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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2025, 11:18:53 PM »

Lead Snowstorm,
Super cool rifle, and great photos. Thanks for sharing.

Can I ask you how wide the butt plate is at its widest point?
And how tall it is from head to toe?


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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2025, 01:12:39 AM »
Leadsnowstorm,

I’ll try to dig up some pictures of the one I had and its twin from the dungeons of Emmau.

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2025, 01:18:22 AM »

Lead Snowstorm,
Super cool rifle, and great photos. Thanks for sharing.

Can I ask you how wide the butt plate is at its widest point?
And how tall it is from head to toe?

At the patch box it is 1.5 inches, narrows to 0.85 inches at the toe of the buttplate.  Overall length is 59 inches.

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2025, 04:32:11 AM »
Thanks for the measurement.
I actually had a typo. I meant to ask "heel to toe". That's to say, the length of the butt plate on the long side.

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2025, 06:07:55 AM »
Leadsnowstorm,

I’ll try to dig up some pictures of the one I had and its twin from the dungeons of Emmau.

Buck

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2025, 11:44:25 PM »
Eric,

I wondered if you were going to chime in on that one.

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Re: New to me long rifle
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2025, 01:53:28 AM »
Thanks for the measurement.
I actually had a typo. I meant to ask "heel to toe". That's to say, the length of the butt plate on the long side.

Whoops!  So, top to bottom (along the horns of the crescent) it is a touch over 4 inches - 4 1/8” or so.