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Offline Jim Kibler

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2025, 08:35:03 PM »
Vert clean looking.  It would be interesting to see the firing chamber end so we will know what to expect as far as cleaning it.

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I would just put the breech in a bucket of water and siphon it through the barrel. 

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2025, 08:45:19 PM »
That is a good looking part, scallops that fine will sand out quickly and easily for finishing.  Toolpaths on that are really clean.  Not easy to do that close to the chuck/collet.

What specific machine are you running that on Jim?

We use a Mazak Integrex I150. 

https://www.mazak.com/us-en/products/integrex-i-150/

This is a pretty neat machine for small parts like this.  Instead of a sub-spindle it has a vise that can rotate up, grab the part, cut off, rotate down and work on the back face, then automatically unload.

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2025, 08:48:18 PM »
The breach fit up looks perfect! Great work!  Just finalized the order for my JK Hawken in 54 caliber and walnut. Now just waiting for a shipment date.
 

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2025, 09:07:12 PM »
Gosh - all your parts look like jewelry not gun parts - amazing!
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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2025, 11:57:37 PM »
Vert clean looking.  It would be interesting to see the firing chamber end so we will know what to expect as far as cleaning it.

Regards.

I would just put the breech in a bucket of water and siphon it through the barrel.

That is how we clean ALL of our rifles, regardless of the style of breech. No, they do not get chewed up around the pin holes. Does not take much skill to do this, as even I can do it.
Cap locks get the nipple removed first.
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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2025, 12:29:01 AM »
Amazing work Jim! The fit is incredible. Are you building the percussion locks?

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2025, 01:00:00 AM »


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We use a Mazak Integrex I150. 

https://www.mazak.com/us-en/products/integrex-i-150/

This is a pretty neat machine for small parts like this.  Instead of a sub-spindle it has a vise that can rotate up, grab the part, cut off, rotate down and work on the back face, then automatically unload.
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That is a slick machine,  the SMOOTH control is very nice as well.  Mazak is a Tier 1 machine for sure. 

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2025, 01:33:47 AM »
Much better than the standard way they are doing them now. Looks like a straight path up to the nipple area.  Bravo!

Offline Jim Kibler

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2025, 03:38:07 AM »
A question…. Has anyone seen original Hawken rifles with breech plugs constructed such that the flash channel has to be plugged on the far side of the plug?  This would be in lieu of an angled hole as I have shown.

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2025, 04:10:27 AM »
Jim

The picture you show of the plug with the flash hole drilled at an angle, does the drill cut into the wall of the plug at about 5 o'clock?   Perhaps I am looking at the part wrong, but that area would get plugged up with fouling?  Or am I looking at it wrong?

Great looking rifle, the lines flow well.

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2025, 09:33:47 AM »
Fleener,

What you are seeing is where the cross hole slightly cuts into the corner created by the chamber in the plug face.  There isn’t much room for this cross hole in this style of plug and it pretty much has to go in this exact orientation.  In my mind I don’t think it would be any real issue with trapping fouling with proper cleaning.  I think this feature is standard fare for a Hawken plug.  Other commercially made plugs I’ve seen are just like this.  Thanks

Jim

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2025, 02:11:15 PM »
A work of art unto itself...!!

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2025, 04:21:02 PM »
Jim, I just spent several hours fitting up a Hawken breech that when I got through with it, doesn’t come close to the fit up that you have achieved. Your quality of craftsmanship has amazed me from the first time I met you at WKU. Well done. What breech widths will these be available in?
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Offline Jim Kibler

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2025, 07:55:52 PM »
Thank you Jim.  I wish I could go back to those days at the WKU seminar.  It was great fun.  I’ll bet it’s been almost twenty years. 

As far as the plugs and standing breech goes, it will just be available in 1 1/16”.

Keep up your great work as well.

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2025, 08:14:25 PM »
That breech plug will stay clean after multiple shots. Much better than drilled straight across and plugged.
I ordered one on faith that that is how you would machine it. Outstanding.
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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2025, 10:47:21 PM »
I'm excited for those plugs to be available. I'm also excited to get one of these kits, although it's going to be awhile until I get to order one

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2025, 01:53:28 AM »
For those who like the long thin angled flash hole, what do you do to keep it clear and keep the gun firing reliably? Especially the first shot when there is likely oil in the hole. 

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Re: Hawken breech plugs
« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2025, 02:16:45 AM »
My Griffen Tool breech is drilled in this manner and has never been a problem. I snap a cap or two and load with complete reliably.
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