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general stock pattern reference source
« on: February 04, 2010, 06:48:23 AM »
As someone relatively new to the details of the American Long rifle  I am seeing a whole lot of references to various "schools" of rifle design.  I understand that a lot of identification is made based on a lot of different details both objective and in some cases subjective.
   
I've got Kauffman and Kindig, dug them out of my library the other day but they seem a bit dated and rather regionally narrow in their perspective.  nothing that would help me understand the diffs between New England and a Carolinas, or between a Virginia and a Pennsylvania--or a Tennessee for that matter

Is there a "simple" primer that would show with basic line drawings the stock profiles and maybe cross sections of the major groups along some of the other basics that would help the beginner or casual student understand the terminology you experts use.

If one is not available it seems to me that it would be a profitable exercise for one to be produced and made available.

kind of a "Dummy's Guide to the American Long Rifle"


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Re: general stock pattern reference source
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2010, 07:27:02 AM »
That, sir, is a very good question.  I know of no single recommendable source devoted solely to archtectural comparisons and norms.  Your sources are good for starters.  Perhaps you could get the books that Dr. Whisker did on the particular schools, study them and draw your norms from them.  He put out many books devoted to specific regions, and they fill a need. For Lehigh, see Ron Gabel, who did some monographs on that region that stand as a remarkable definition of the school.  Also, consider the writing of Henry Bishop on Womelsdorf/Berks.  This is all up-to-date material that you seek.  

We who build have patterns, often 3/8" wood or so; we pull 'em out and cut away, and shape from there.   Or, decide on a pattern and call one of the boys who rough cut stocks for a living...Miller, Rhode, Lepley...they are so fine tuned that you tell them the specific maker you want to replicate and they will give that exact stock back to you from a blank.  Have the ramrod hole drilled, butt architecture set, and barrel inletted.  You can also have buttplates roughed in and lock mortises cut, but, the more you have done, the more limited you are and the less experience you will have yourself.  Just have these things thought out prior to ordering.  Many professionals do this, at least the bbl. inlet and rod hole, which is a distinct pain.

  Buy the best wood you can afford.  Many people like curl the running the whole way out and I have found through experience that hard maple is easier to carve and work than wood from a softer tree.  Learn to make your own small parts and inlays.  Store bought ones rarely fit correctly and pre-fab inlays look just like what they are..machine made. That's what I've learned.  
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Re: general stock pattern reference source
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2010, 08:56:50 AM »
DWS,
I was in the beginning at a loss to pick out the differences between the schools in some of the cases. Some are very obvious with study. Some are much more subtle. One of the problems I have found is that some of these smiths moved around and took their style from where they learned it to other areas and you have a rifle built in Ohio that looks like it came from Virgina. So its an Ohio rifle but with a Winchester Virginia school styling. It will come easier with time and that's half the fun of this. I can vouch for talking with these guys that are veterans of care-taking these works of art. More than once I have held the Leonard Reedy rifle along with one of the Bonawitz's soaking up the knowledge share by the current owner.

Get as many of the books as you can afford and pour over them like your family album. Soon you will start to recognize some of the rifles as belonging to a particular region and smith.  The profile of the stock architecture will start to be recognizable to you as you see more of the details common to that particular school.  To really build them you must hold them. At least it has been that way for me.
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Re: general stock pattern reference source
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2010, 04:06:00 PM »
Their was a company, "Golden Age Arms", in Ohio. Their catalog had simple line drawings, depicting the profile of various styles of architecture. It probably isn't perfect, but is enough to set you on course. I'll paw around and see it I still have a copy. If I do, I'll photograph it and put it up.
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Re: general stock pattern reference source
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2010, 06:23:37 PM »
Not sure if Golden Age Arms Catalog 1972 has it but here is one for sale available on line

http://www.antiqbook.com/boox/ljs/024923.shtml
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2010, 02:49:25 PM »
DWS, Sorry I couldn't find it. I may have thrown it out in one of my purges, but I'll keep looking.
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Re: general stock pattern reference source
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2010, 03:26:18 PM »
I'm sure I've kept one or two from about that time.  My problem isn't remembering where they are, but remembering to get them. :o
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Re: general stock pattern reference source
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2010, 04:09:55 PM »
i have that catalog
its got 2 1/2 pages of patterns
ill try and find a scanner some place
or if some one else knows how to get it posted
ill sure do so....
or is that legal..!!!
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only flintlocks remain interesting..

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2010, 06:44:08 PM »
 holy cow, that would be great!. it is my most asked question, too. if a good assortment of examples and reading can be assembled, maybe it could be made part of the library as a reference for identifying these differences in the guns shown.

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Re: general stock pattern reference source
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2010, 06:47:33 PM »
i have that catalog
its got 2 1/2 pages of patterns
ill try and find a scanner some place
or if some one else knows how to get it posted
ill sure do so....
or is that legal..!!!

I will leave it to the Mods, but since they are out of business I don't see who it could hurt ....................?
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