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The Worst Critic
« on: February 14, 2010, 07:23:21 PM »
Inspired like Acer was about this thread, I would like to take another direction than he did.  If you make a mistake and can fix it by all means do so.  However, very few guns we build are perfect and sometimes  the mistake is one that you end up living with.  Scratch marks left over from sanding, possibly a web a little thick like I have done recently (would not have been a problem except I got in a hurry and drilled a ramrod hole, the repair would not be worth the effort).  I have just finished inletting an English style buttplate which went fairly smoothly as most do.  Another standard butplate without the extended tang just did not seem to want to fit, I finally quit chasing small gaps while I was ahead or I think I would have ended up with a 12 inch pull instead of 13 1/2.  I can do some peening anyway.  On one mess up I offcast the stock but messed up on the tang which is pointing a little off.  Etc. The nature of the thing was that when I noticed it was a little late to fix it.
My point is not that I am such a screw up as I have learned through the years that the worst critic is myself.  I just recently started rebuilding and am a little rusty.  But one thing I would like to pass on to beginners is that over the years I learned that some of the little goof ups are most apparent to myself and if I keep my mouth shut I occasionally get some sincere compliments on my work.  A trigger guard slightly misaligned (you may notice it after finishing) sanding marks, or a little bit of a gap is generally overlooked by someone else.  As long as the whole looks good, minor goofs do not really matter.  The comment has been made that most originals would not do so well at Dixon's.
The American Hunter just had an article on squirrel hunting.  They featured a 36 production flintlock. I can assure you that my worst is better than that thing.  We should cut a picture out of the production guns and hang it over the bench to reassure ourselves we don't do all that bad.

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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2010, 08:16:13 PM »
The voice of common sense above. Comment about Dixon's true, and some of the judges won't dismiss the argument.

Differences between some of the best creations today and period originals.  Today a builder working on a gun to be judged or for a modern customer can choose to work with tedium over the least detail, mind the gaps, and take liberties with time, materials and even advanced education in the finer aspects of decoration.  I would think nothing of interstate travel, weekly, to pick up advanced skills.  I've done it.  The period gunsmith would not, as a rule, have had the means or time to do this.  If he traveled to NY or MD weekly, he would not have had any time left to get guns built.

A period gunsmith had to keep cost effectiveness and production efficiency in the forefront of his mind, if he wished to eat. It is a wonder that the average man in those days did as well as he did, and names like Kuntz, Armstrong, Beck and Beyer are absolutely remarkable.

Moreover, our lighting is better and we can take advantage of the biggest quantum leap in precision hand-tooling ever invented...the Opti-visor. Upon close inspection, the average original is not as keenly built as a gun by Silver, Manderino, Brennan, and a host of younger builders who are already masters and not yet 45 years old.  With their work ethic, can you imagine what they'll be doing when they grow up?  Wayne
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2010, 12:01:15 AM »
Gentlemen, we are living in the golden age of muzzloaders.  Cheers, Bookie
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2010, 12:45:13 AM »
I am my worst critic, and not always the most supportive or helpful. It's better to get feedback from someone else, someone who you trust to give you a fair estimation of your work. I find it helps to post my mistakes along with the neat things, because it teaches me to be more accepting of my failings and find joy in my strong points.

When criticism can be delivered in a positive and supportive manner, it's much easier for the listener to accept what is being said. Say what's good about a piece, and point out things that could be done differently. Criticism can be a tough pill to swallow, so it's good practice to ask for it frequently, so you will get better at hearing it. Use criticism as a tool to grow.

The sole purpose of the Dixon's judging is to teach how to build a gun. Once you are satisfied with your level of competency, it's time to move on. The judging is NOT to gain ribbons in order to command a higher price for your work.

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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2010, 12:47:34 AM »
Thanks NorthMn, I'm all over the instances you speak of with my second build. Trying too much maybe. I doubt the original builders were as nitpickity about  perfection, they had to make a living and likely didnt have months to do one gun. Maybe the guns they made perfectly were never used and the standard guns that were used, were used to 'worn out and tossed' ?

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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2010, 12:57:07 AM »
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A period gunsmith had to keep cost effectiveness and production efficiency in the forefront of his mind, if he wished to eat. It is a wonder that the average man in those days did as well as he did, and names like Kuntz, Armstrong, Beck and Beyer are absolutely remarkable.
Hmmmm....much as some of us still have to do today..... ;)
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2010, 01:25:26 AM »
Aw $#*! Mike, once you get past that whole "eating / feed the family " thing it's a walk in the park. Frees you up to maximize your creative output and go broke in style...

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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2010, 05:55:44 AM »
I think we're all our worst critics.  Dave brings up some very good points relative to those little screw ups that glare out to us, but not so much to others.  I've built guns that I wasn't all that satisfied with, and found that after I walked away from it for a few days, liked it a lot more when I saw it again.  Maybe it's just burn out on a project.

Also some good thoughts on contemporary/period builders.  We recently had a power outage that really drove home the lighting aspect especially.  When I wasn't shoveling or plowing snow, I was trying to work on a rifle by sun light.  It's great light but doesn't make for a very long day, especially this time of year.  And I agree with Wayne about the opti-visor, about the most valuable tool in the shop...

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2010, 07:06:31 PM »
Striving for constant improvement is not the same as perfection.  I could strive to make more elaborately carved and engraved rifles, but they would not be perfect ones.  With time and work I am sure I could make very nice ones, but not perfect ones.  There would be flaws in the carving, engraving and likely the same ones on the basic gun but the gun as a whole could look pretty nice.  The beginners have to understand that some of those that are built, were built by folks that are both talented (aptitude does not hurt) and have paid their dues in study and experience.  Also the talents I have seen vary to some extent.  Some of those building Tennessee rifles like to make or forge everything but the lock, stock and barrel (some do all).  I kind of enjoy something in between.  A kit gun is assembly, where I like to buy a few parts and make a few parts.  I pay maybe half what a kit gun builder does and use a blank.  Some use a blank and have a professional inlet the barrel and ramrod channel and drill the ramrod (not all unwise) .  The methods and basis for expression vary so much.  Some artistic in carving and engraving and some in creation of the basics.

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2010, 07:20:30 PM »
Perfection in an object often means dead.

I prefer a well made object that shows the character and hand of the maker. Perfection rules that out.

When you get to modern high art guns, perfection is the order of the day, but for the TRADITIONAL longrilfe, perfection is out of context, does not apply.
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2010, 07:38:53 PM »
northmn,
I think you hit on another very important point when you brought "talent" into the thread.  Whether talking about present day gunsmiths or 18th century, we are not all equal when it comes to talent.  Good work ethic and learning from an experienced master are no doubt valueable and will yield a better finished product, but God given talent cannot be learned.  I'm thankfull I can build a rifle I am happy with, but have absolutely no feeling that I could ever do what some of the very talented builders do as far as quality.  Who knows whether some of the "less perfect" original rifles were built faster so the gunsmith could make a living, or were just built by a less talented gunsmith.  I would guess the answer is some of both.

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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2010, 07:43:10 PM »
One must ask oneself... What exactly is "perfection"...  Is "perfection" in fact attainable in an artistic medium?

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2010, 07:59:12 PM »
I do not believe perfection is humanly attainable. For me, the pursuit of perfection is a false trail.

I would rather have an object that is alive, where everything 'works', where you have ten rifles on a table, and everyone is drawn to that one for some reason.

When I say 'works', I mean that the design flows, the components are in harmony with each other and the stock design, and the decorative elements add to the overall effect.

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2010, 08:54:35 PM »
Agreed.  I have the distinct luxury of building guns strictly as an avocation, and you might like my work, 'cause it ain't high art and there are often tell--tale signs of hand wrought parts and human endeavor.  My guns do not rest next to the artists' guns in many of the finer collections.  They do, however, come in from the mountains and fields annually with deer blood all over them, something, I'll wager, most top-end rifles never saw and never will.

If I had to build guns for basic support, I doubt that I would like it nearly as much.  Now it is fun because the thought of "work" never enters my mind.  It is not work, but rather creation and pure enjoyment.  My only goal is to do better each time and not allow sloppiness to enter into the picture, a common journeyman's pitfall.  Now for those few who can retain this happiness and enthusiasm, put out production work of distinction, and feed the family, too, my hat is off to you and you have my utmost respect.  

I rarely hunt anymore and haven't really missed it.   I always ask my customers to bring me a few steaks and some ground meat from their first kill with the rifle.  I eat it now but don't have to get cold, drag it, gut it and cart it around.  Rather go trout fishing in the spring.

A friend asked me recently why I was not at the latest big-name contemp. show.  Pure and simple; I went to an auction instead.   A concurrent reason; there I feel as if I am taking a hamburger to a steak and lobster tail cook-off.  The big names in collecting don't want my stuff, and the people off the street usually are there out of curiosity and often don't come to buy,  or they tell you that they would really like to have it, but...

Point is, there are a lot of builders out there that achieve modest success as avocational builders who are neither world-class quality artists nor icons of the trade.  That is good.  There is a place for all of us to have fun and maybe sell a few guns.  I like seeing mine used rather than handled as objects d'art.

As for Dixon's, they serve a very noble and useful purpose, and the people who run it are well intentioned, dedicated, and an asset to all of us.  I have only two things to add.  When the judges really like a piece, it ends up with multiple ribbons, many blue.  We call it a "bouquet."  I only ever got one bouquet from them, when I moved from apprentice to journeyman class several years ago.  The comment was made directly into the microphone, "Well, his prices just went up," after the award was given.  Perhaps if the judges themselves would refrain from such public comments, then the rank and file would truly be able to accept the official notion that "education" prevails as the dominant goal.

This was said on July 28, 2002, according to my written notes.

One final suggestion.  Never, never enter a gun at Dixon's that has already been sold.  You are setting yourself up and putting your head through a picture frame and saying "punch me." You have nothing to win and everything to lose.  Trust me, if you enter this gun and it does not attain at least one blue ribbon (many are given annually) then the customer has a lifetime to bug you about why his gun was not blessed by the high priests.  The misguided notion persists that if the judges don't issue blue, then the piece is not good.  Want to give a gun the kiss of death around here?  Hang a green Dixon's ribbon on it and see if it sells.  Here perception talks and reality walks.  





  
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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2010, 09:40:23 PM »
In some cases we can be our own worst critics, especially about flaws we can see.  There are other flaws in our own work that we can't see until we learn more.  Until you KNOW that a forearm is supposed to be egg-shaped, it's unlikely you'll see it if your gun is a little slab-sided.  We all grew up with slab sided centerfire and rimfire guns, and that got into our heads and doesn't natually "look wrong" to us until we re-learn what a rifle is supposed to look like.  There are many other instances.  I think most builders can see defects, scratches, poor inletting, uneven staining or a poorly filled finish.  It takes a long time and much experience to learn architecture, how carving should look, etc.  And when those flaws are pointed out, it can cut deep for a while.
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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2010, 02:09:15 AM »
We tend to be critical in direct proportion to our education. My first "real" longrifle was a DGW Tennessee rifle built from a kit. It had a few extras like the patch box, nose cap, cheekpiece star and I filed flats on the ramrod pipes. I absolutely loved that rifle and fired many thosands of rounds with it. Now my current rifle has a 44" swamped barrel and is lighter and balances way better that the shorter Tennessee barrel. Unfortunately the old rifle now feels like a fence post in my hands. Each build is better than the last; I guess that's why we keep doing this stuff.
I have learned not to expect too much criticism when you post something here, though. Everybody is too nice to give much real criticism on someone else's work, however if you post something about patch lube, cleaning or loading procedure, all bets are off!!!  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2010, 03:07:12 AM »
Everybody is nice if you sing in the choir, in tune, with no discords.  Pete, one of these days I'll likely be thrown off of here, but men like you will continue to bring the truth to bear, and the truth always stands on two legs and hypocrisy on one. 
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2010, 06:25:49 AM »
I don't post criticism unless someone asks "what do you think".

Many people post their work, but far fewer ask for criticism on the Web. I have seen comments that would not be constructive or helpful, and some are downright mean. It's no surprise that few folks ask for criticism, even with our mannerly group.

In my opinion, a critical review is oft much better in a one on one scenario with someone you trust.

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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2010, 08:27:40 AM »
There are lots of reasons to not give a no holds barred critique online; most of them benefiting the person posting the item to be critiqued.  If anyone wants an offline critique there are a dozen knowledgable guys here who would help anyone.  I rely on 5 guys to help me with my work; met them all here, and give them in progress photos as the work progresses.  Taking your rifle to a show and asking other builders for input is always helpful and easier as the person giving advice sees it in the round.
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2010, 12:53:50 PM »
One reason I may not care for general opinions is that some of them may not be all that qualified.  I remember one individual that said that I made my wirsts too thin.  He made "Hawkens" and his wrists must have been 13/4 to 2" deep.  he also stated that blanks cost too much and that you could glue two one inch planks together that would work just as well.  Rather extreme case I admit, but you may get the picture.  I prefer not to name those who I listen to on this thread as I will forget to mention somebody.  Also I prefer not to comment much on Bedford rifles, the real curved Allentown rifles and some of the French Tulles I have seen.  If I were judging 5 rifles for final place for best in show and one was a Bedford I would only be judging 4.  Also I consider silver mounted rifles to be too gaudy.  For those that like them, great.  I am not running you down, just stating my own tastes.  I happen to like Revolutionary period rifles the best and Lancaster's in particular.  One may also consider that there are those on this thread that have their preferences and are more knowledgeable in their fields of interest.  For Tennessee rifles I can name two (won't because there are more and its best not to leave any one out). 

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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2010, 04:59:40 PM »
I still enjoy building guns, and am my own worst critic.   As you all know, I will, on occassion, criticize someone's work.  Not that I am an "expert", but when I see something that just isn't done right, I get the feeling that I just must comment
on it.   We have a lot of novice builders on this forum, and if we don't point out things that are wrong, how will they know
to improve it?  I am getting better in this regard...recently there was a gun posted and I looked at it and thought in my
mind.."holy cow, that lock panel is big enough to play ping-pong on it", BUT, I didn't post it.   When you look at the work
of most of the great builders of today, they have something that is hard to teach or learn, an inhrent "artistic ability".   If
you are like me, and many others, you have to struggle with our carving patterns and even the overall architecture of a
gun to make it look good.  Every gun I have built I will look at it and wish I had done something differently, I can see my
shortcomings, but seem to repeat them over and over.   And now,  just like an old dog, it is getting harder and harder to
change................Don

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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2010, 12:32:31 AM »
Don't go changing on us Don- we've just gotten used to you!  Just kidding, lol.

John Bivins used to slip some great comments in his articles on gunmaking.  One that stuck with me is when he wrote that you don't want your lock mortises to "look like a demented welldigger" had done them.

I think posting as you go along is the best way for those who really want input.
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2010, 04:15:11 AM »
After viewing the work of the builders that have the "artistic eye",  a very humbling feeling sets in and in fact, it could really be described as an "inferiority complex" that doesn't allow me to submit a post other than to say "nice work". I do contrbute info asre the technical aspects of building but again I'm not allowed to go into a critical critique of other's work. I'm plainly not qualified although asre my meager efforts, I'm a very fussy guy....Fred
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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2010, 04:30:16 AM »
If I am restoring or cleaning up an old rifle. I can be hard on myself about details.

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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2010, 06:58:41 AM »
I figure , if you ever build the perfect rifle you might as well quit cuz it's all down hill from there. Are any of us ready to quit?........didn't think so.