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Offline Salkehatchie

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Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« on: April 04, 2010, 08:02:59 PM »
Does anyone on the site have any suggestions as to where to go to get pictures of early Germanic fowlers?


Something that would be contemporary with a Jaeger?

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Re: Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2010, 08:17:47 PM »
Jim Chambers told me some time ago that the same people who made the Germanic rifle book that he sold were in the process of making a book on the fowling pieces. I do not know if it ever came about.

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Re: Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2010, 08:26:31 PM »
Chris Immel has photos of several, as do I...I'll post later.
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Re: Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2010, 04:57:17 AM »
German smoothbores are neat ,i have only seen a couple done by modern builders. i believe there was a fellow at the Lewisbueg show in Feb. that had a few on display[originals] Most people would not know what they were looking at if they saw one :(
Not much of a market for them I suppose.
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Re: Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2010, 05:09:07 AM »
In reply to Alexanr. Low demand due to lack of pictures on this side of the pond. Pictures in books like Shumway's R.C.A. seres drove a revolution in gun building and demand.  Just my two cents
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Re: Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2010, 02:49:15 PM »
Till actual pictures arrive, what are the defining characteristics of them?  How were they different from the typical English guns?

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Re: Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2010, 03:18:45 PM »
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How were they different from the typical English guns?
The main difference is they look german instead of english. ;)
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Re: Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2010, 03:26:19 PM »
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Re: Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2010, 06:52:21 PM »
I see what you mean.  Basic fowler of English/French background with a bit of Germanic enhancements.  Interesting.  I also did see one in there that very closely resembeled a Scottish gun I saw in a picture once.  A fowler specifically designed for round ball.  Very interesting.

Well thanks guys, if you get any more pics please post.


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Re: Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2010, 07:38:58 PM »
I see what you mean.  Basic fowler of English/French background with a bit of Germanic enhancements.  Interesting.  I also did see one in there that very closely resembeled a Scottish gun I saw in a picture once.  A fowler specifically designed for round ball.  Very interesting.

Well thanks guys, if you get any more pics please post.



The English guns are to me mainly products of Dutch and French(and similar continental) styling with an English streamline. The Germanic guns do not have an English influence to my knowledge.

The gun for ball is not a fowling piece but a sporting gun that shares probably all characteristics with it's fowling gun sibling except for a thicker walled barrel. I included it because what you can see in the picture is German fowling gun in appearance. The English comparable would be the "fusee" which looked like an English fowling piece but did not have the muzzle belled in the inside.

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Re: Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2010, 11:19:08 PM »
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Re: Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 02:33:51 PM »
WOW!!!!!! pant, pant, drool!!!!!

Thank you for the great pictures!!!!!


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Re: Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2010, 03:21:12 PM »
I see a lot of rifle architecture in the German smoothbores. Cheekpiece, square toe buttpiece, moulding along the bottom of the buttstock. D'ya think there is a similar relation to our PA 'smooth rifle'? (probably as much as jaeger to PA long rifle)

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Re: Germanic fowlers 1715 to 1760?
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2010, 08:58:31 PM »
My two old German fowling guns.

www.photobucket.com/albums/v326/Fatdutchman/Original%20Flintlocks/SpanishStyle

My only gun in original flint.  Ca. 1720, more or less.  Done in Spanish style.  Weighs about 6 pounds and handles wonderfully.  About .50 caliber.

www.photobucket.com/albums/v326/Fatdutchman/Original%20Flintlocks/GermanFowler

ca. 1760.  This one has a butt trap for a bayonet, a minor fad at the time.  No, I don't have the bayonet!  I am not responsible for the sad condition that it is in!  Somewhere in the 16 gauge range.

Most German smoothbores, particularly those intended for birding rather than for "general purpose", are halfstocked.

The place to go on the web is www.hermann-historica.com

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