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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: Daniel on February 18, 2015, 01:17:48 AM
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If you all were to buy or build your dream gun what would it be ?
I used to thing a large bored Dog lock musket. Now ??
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To build it would be RCA #42.
To buy it would be anything from Mike Brooks or Hershal House or Chuck Edwards or Ian Pratt.
Coryjoe
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Right now it is this:
http://jamesdjulia.com/item/2324-358/
For a warm up before I build the above rifle I am currently building a loose copy of this:
http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-2346-superb-relief-carved-flintlock-john-armstrong-kentucky-rifle-believed-to-be-the-earliest-known-49773/
I was considering buying an original to copy...........until I saw what they sell for. For $150K I'll just have to do my best form photos.
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I have a Mike Brooks fowler, a Ken Netting rifle, a John Bergmann fullstock Hawken, a Joe Schell rifle that is on the way to me.
I want a Roger Sells rifle to go with these. His work is outstanding.
I have a few other rifles and smoothbores but no makers name on the guns. This stuff sure is addictive.
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I would have something made up after Melchior Fordney ,not any particular gun just features from the ones I liked best ,with a late Ketland lock.The patch box would have to have the horse head and the wood showing between the door and the two extensions on either side of the door so the curl shows through.Fordney's stocking is ergonomic not too much drop and he loved bold lines.
And I would have it built. The simplier stuff I can do but not the great work ,that last 20% of fine lines and proportion is elusive.
I could think of some others I like of course ...but you did say one.
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A Fordney style gun would be nice fer sure.
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I kind of am getting ready to build my dream gun - been fiddling with the plans today, as a matter of fact. A big, iron-mounted proto-mountain rifle with an open-bow triggerguard and a round-faced lock closely based on an original.
I need a smoothbore, though (for a given value of "need," naturally) and for some reason instead of a nice, practical little fowling piece I've hankering after a musket or waterfowling piece. A composite musket or American-made fowling piece cobbled together out of disparate parts sounds like a fun project, with plenty of room for individual taste and without the constraints of copying a particular pattern or even a particular school. The problem is the lock, as there aren't any commercial locks that are really large enough for what I have in mind. I'd either have to assemble one of those sets of raw castings or scratchbuild one.
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Deep River, North Carolina.
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I would have to go with a Northampton County smooth rifle by Eric Kettenburg. I have admired his work for over 18 years.
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Too easy.... The next one is always my dream gun.
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To build would be to copy as able, the early swivel breech by Wm. Antes. To buy would be a Lehigh by Allen Martin or something by Mark Wheland.
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If I ever get my medical paid I want a 1720-30 French trade gun or a New England fowler.
20 ga. 55 " barrel with iron mounts for the French mixed for the other.
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Too easy.... The next one is always my dream gun.
You beat me to it.
Every gun I build is a dream. ;D
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2-17-15
Kermit,
Would that be a Deep River school, Kennedy style rifle in North Carolina?
Best Regards,
Robert
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I've always wanted one of those club butt fowlers all tricked out with inlays and engravings. Of course it would sit on the wall and gather dust. ;D weapons are like a horse I'd have the ugliest one alive but it would keep me out in front of the bad guys ::)
geo
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I think a carved gun by Bill Shipman would be my dream gun. I stop by his table each CLA show. Bill's rifle titled "Pinwheel Lancaster" is a favorite.
Regards,
Pletch
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I think I'd go for a wall gun, about .90 caliber or so. Certainly not too elaborate but able to hit a target at a fur piece.
Then I'd need a fort or blockhouse to shoot from......
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http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/2013/07/2013-cla-live-auction-fine-lexington.html
there's one left for me to build................
marc n tomtom
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Would that be a Deep River school, Kennedy style rifle in North Carolina?
Yup. I'm deep into reading Bivins' "Longrifles of North Carolina."
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I always build my dream gun. But every night brings another dream. ;D
Next will be a Dutch fowler/trade rifle. None known to exist. Until I make one.
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I am with you Kermit. Bill Ivey's book is a "Wish Book" like the Sears Catalogs of my youth.
I am inclined towards the slim Salem, North Carolina beauties. Peter Christ's rifles will do. :-) I am partial to the Distlefink (Goldfinch) bird patchbox style. One day soon......
Best wishes and God Bless, Marc
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Any long barreled barn gun built by our old friend Don Getz.
CW
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Really like this one- http://www.allenmartinrifles.net/gallery-of-guns/swisslancaster-rifle/
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a barn gun such as a Don Getz would have made, with set triggers, and only shoot X,s
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Too easy.... The next one is always my dream gun.
Of course. It always starts out perfectly............and then things start to happen.
Sometimes the dream will even turn into a nightmare; like the time I dovetailed my underlugs into the SIDE of the barrel.
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Something like a John & Joe Manton flinter with nice english wood, ebony forend tip, nice checkerd grip, engraved, and in 69 cal. Not very american but I live close to Canada. ;D
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Like Wade said "every rifle I build is a dream" although some of mine have been nightmares!
Mark
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I've recently fallen hopelessly in love with iron mounted southern rifles.
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Slowly but slowly they are being created by Gene Gordner - Alexander Henry .72-caliber Sporting rifles, one with Serengeti maple, one with Serengeti bastogne walnut "stealth laminated" stocks, Joe Williams barrels, machine work on barrels and left-handed created patent breeches by Kelly Stottlemyer, and on, and on. Delivery expected . . . before my death.
They are intended to be used on a cape buffalo. I expect to be able to shoot two aimed bulleted shots. I think I'll have an edge - but life will be interesting until things level off.
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I'm kind of a heretic, ::)
I wanna build a Billinghurst 'Cylinder' rifle..
Respect Always
Metalshaper/Jonathan
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I have never owned a rifle made by anyone of any consequence. I would like to own a nice rifle made for me by someone else. That is my dream.
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Metalshaper:
I hope you will build it as a pill lock. I have one of his originals in pill lock, with an unusual full stock and no patch box. It would be good for measurements, etc. but is with me in Alaska.
Bill Paton
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Metalshaper:
I hope you will build it as a pill lock. I have one of his originals in pill lock, with an unusual full stock and no patch box. It would be good for measurements, etc. but is with me in Alaska.
Bill Paton
Mr. Paton,
I would certainly hope to build it as a Pill Lock!! Maybe I could persuade you for some pictures?
Btw, never seen a pic or museum example that was full stocked?
Respect Always
Metalshaper/Jonathan
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My dream rifle would be an English sporting rifle. Percussion bar-in-wood lock with English walnut stock and .58 caliber octagon to round barrel. I guess I'll have to do like a friend of mine does and put myself in line with everybody else and when my time comes I'll build myself one!
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SXS English gun with 26" tubes of 14 bore - rifled 1 in 80" Rifling to be .005" or .006" deep, grooves double the width of the lands.
It would look very much like this 15 bore John Manton smoothbore, but have 4" shorter barrels.
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Early German "wender" or swivel breech. One smooth, one rifled. Held an original at an antique arms show and have always dreamed of that gun. Someday...........
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My dream rifle would be a light .40cal Lehigh Schimmel built by Allen Martin or Eric von Aschwege.
Bob
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I have three 'dreams' waiting in queue:
1) Wm. Antes swivel breech .54 cal
2) T. Allison .25 cal
3) JP Beck .50 smooth rifle
4) A.Verner .50 cal pistol (to match my rifle)
5) 14 bore flint double with original Staudenmayer bbls
und so wieder...
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Ok. I think an early Lancaster rifle , and
A Dog Lock fowler from Jeff Miller would be # 1 with me.
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A unit marked Mondragón or a Virginia rifle from Mike Brooks.
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OK, my continuous dream that I keep having over and over. I find an add in the news paper. Old gun for sale. I travel a few miles to an old farm. I knock on the door and introduce myself to the old couple there. They show me this fine old Kentucky rifle that was found in the rafters of their barn. A flintlock with much patina in an early robust shape. The patchbox is too dark to really make anything out. There is very nice relief carving with fine C scrolls in all of the right places. I look at the barrels sweet spot just behind the Germanic rear sight. A deeply engraved signature is present but I cannot quite make it out. I ask the couple if they have an old soft rag I can borrow. I start rubbing gently across the barrels upper flat. "W* Hachen"! I feel this rush of excitement come over me! Then I wake up. :'(
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I've got to say..... I already have mine. The Busty Brunette. A fine Lehigh, made by Allen Martin, "The Lehigh Jedi".
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OK, my continuous dream that I keep having over and over. I find an add in the news paper. Old gun for sale. I travel a few miles to an old farm. I knock on the door and introduce myself to the old couple there. They show me this fine old Kentucky rifle that was found in the rafters of their barn. A flintlock with much patina in an early robust shape. The patchbox is too dark to really make anything out. There is very nice relief carving with fine C scrolls in all of the right places. I look at the barrels sweet spot just behind the Germanic rear sight. A deeply engraved signature is present but I cannot quite make it out. I ask the couple if they have an old soft rag I can borrow. I start rubbing gently across the barrels upper flat. "W* Hachen"! I feel this rush of excitement come over me! Then I wake up. :'(
And it looks NOTHING like the dozens of attributed "Haga" rifles because it is indeed a much earlier gun ;D!
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Ya Eric, it blows all of those attributes right out of the water! ;D