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Title: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Adrie luke on January 31, 2018, 06:22:20 PM

I have started to make a Fowling rifle on scale.

A few weeks ago I ordered by Track and Wolff plans for rifles on full scale.
When the plans were delivered I unfold the plan of the Fowling on the floor.
I was amazed that the rifle was so big!!
I saw it in a museum but you cannot hold it than and I did not realize how big it was.
I have made the barrel on scale and now I am busy with the flintlock lock.
Everything on the lock is round, an I hope to succeed making it in the right way.
We will see!!



(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FksxqeR%2FP1010943.jpg&hash=03950c476cd2f5e227fda0df50c29655b24dff39) (http://ibb.co/mPXOzR)

(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FnsEQDm%2FP1010941.jpg&hash=e8eb204bfd7d2b5ecb37f0f63899151ca5ff85e7) (http://ibb.co/cDXCtm)

A lot of filing!

(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FdGQMm6%2FP1010946.jpg&hash=9cfaeede95b144d50bf6148d867698c5aed86693) (http://ibb.co/jfVnR6)

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Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Kingsburyarms on January 31, 2018, 06:26:24 PM

As always, my friend, Amazing work!!!! - Keep the pictures coming....

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: t.caster on January 31, 2018, 07:12:38 PM

Yeah, AMAZING. Is that about half scale? or less?
Keep us posted with your progress please.

Thanks,
Tom

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Adrie luke on January 31, 2018, 07:46:02 PM

Kingsbury Arms,

Thank you! How far is your Lancaster?

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Adrie luke on January 31, 2018, 07:46:58 PM

Tom,

It is 2/5 scale or 40%.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Flint62Smoothie on January 31, 2018, 07:51:30 PM

Simply AMAZING!

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Kingsburyarms on January 31, 2018, 08:21:11 PM

Quote from: Adrie luke on January 31, 2018, 07:46:02 PM

Kingsbury Arms,

Thank you! How far is your Lancaster?

Carving almost done  - The holidays slowed me down, I'll post more images this weekend.....

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Adrie luke on March 26, 2018, 06:48:15 PM

Back in the workshop!
A long time it was too cold but I have started again.
It is good to see all the good work on ALR. I learn a lot only by watching.
I made a flintlock for a Fowling on scale.
My new challenge is to make two the same locks.
Can I use one lock for a pistol or is the lock for a pistol smaller?


(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FkOGvVS%2FP1011049.jpg&hash=19804038139f490d8a07e848828051c637824ab0) (http://ibb.co/do17c7)

(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FhETg4n%2FP1011064.jpg&hash=957e9498058531a9a2a83eeb21790e182fef7fc3) (http://ibb.co/cy6CAS)

(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FfEUcc7%2FP1011065.jpg&hash=87ecc4848e7129515d07c2b44780c72930689650) (http://ibb.co/g8UM4n)

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Daryl on March 26, 2018, 06:56:36 PM

Amazing, Adre - well done.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: n stephenson on March 26, 2018, 07:03:21 PM

Adrie , Sir, it is always a joy to see what you come up with next. These things are hard enough to build full scale . I know they have to be harder on that scale.   Nice Work ! Nate

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Justin Urbantas on March 26, 2018, 07:45:48 PM

How large are you allowed to build a gun?

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Flint62Smoothie on March 26, 2018, 09:54:40 PM

Yes, indeed a TRUE craftsman at work, beautiful hand work!

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Mr. Bubbles on March 30, 2018, 02:23:14 AM

Are you going to make the lock fully functioning, so you could shoot it if you wanted to?

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Ky-Flinter on March 30, 2018, 03:14:51 AM

Adrie,

As always, your work is amazing!

Quote from: Adrie luke on March 26, 2018, 06:48:15 PM

...... I made a flintlock for a Fowling on scale.
My new challenge is to make two the same locks.
Can I use one lock for a pistol or is the lock for a pistol smaller?

The size of a pistol lock will vary depending on the style and size of the pistol, but in general, if the Fowler and the pistol are made on the same scale, the pistol lock would be smaller.  For example, the lockplate of the Early Kentucky/American Fowler Flintlock from R.E. Davis measures 5-7/8" x 1-1/16", while the plate of their "Becky" Pistol Flintlock for a small pistol measures 4-3/16" x 13/16".  http://www.redaviscompany.com/locks.html   

Or you could make 2 of your fowler locks and use one on a pistol of about 60% scale.  I can't wait to see it!

-Ron

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Adrie luke on March 30, 2018, 08:30:50 PM

Ron,

Thanks for all the effort.
I keep it in mind!

Adrie

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Kingsburyarms on March 31, 2018, 12:43:38 AM

I love watching your work - I respect anyone who can make miniature working replicas - I will be in Eindhoven in May - we will catch up then -

Jon

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Adrie luke on April 17, 2018, 09:42:33 PM

Today I finished the flintlocks.


(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FmJ1v1n%2FP1011124.jpg&hash=4c17c00bd8b933835bf36b045916f64acfe0c4f3) (http://ibb.co/dg2Pu7)

(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2Ffugju7%2FP1011125.jpg&hash=e121be6b0a43af01e4c9aee1009813bad7b341df) (http://ibb.co/nqMju7)

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Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Chowmi on April 17, 2018, 09:46:58 PM

Adrie,
great work!  I love to see what you are doing. 
That is a great project, and it looks like a good challenge.

I will not be in Amsterdam in May, but will try to get a June or July trip.

Cheers,
Norm

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Brian Jordan on April 18, 2018, 12:25:26 AM

WOW what a challenge that must be! Great work!

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Daryl on April 18, 2018, 06:32:24 AM

Beautiful work, Adrie.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Adrie luke on April 18, 2018, 11:59:56 AM

Half

(https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FgBLUwn%2FP1011138.jpg&hash=188482281af8290f108a1e6efff001b54b68422b) (http://ibb.co/iFotNS)

full

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Thanks All

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: thecapgunkid on April 18, 2018, 12:00:32 PM

Adrie, this is almost recreational to view.  Keep the pics coming.  What great work.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: EC121 on April 18, 2018, 06:51:53 PM

Just watching  Arie and Runar work makes me want to throw my tools away.   ;D  Great work.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: dogcreek on April 19, 2018, 01:24:24 AM

Very nice work, Adrie!

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Tracker0721 on April 23, 2018, 04:59:41 PM

I keep pulling up this thread and must say, you’re doing an incredible job. I’m mind boggled each time seeing the finger sized locks.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: David Price on April 23, 2018, 05:11:55 PM

Adrie,
Plesase post the video pictures that you e mailed me of the lock sparking with your hand cut flints.  I am sure all ther ALR will enjoy seeing them.  Adrie picked up a flint rock  that he found in some one's garden, chipped a piece for his hand made miniature lock and it worked perfectly.

David Price

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Craig Wilcox on May 06, 2018, 02:14:27 AM

We need to start making some 40% size clay pigeons for Adre.  And maybe some #14 or so birdshot.

 I am amazed at his ability to make a working replica this size - and all the metal work so beautifully done.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: stubshaft on May 06, 2018, 02:21:46 AM

Great work!!! 

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Adrie luke on May 06, 2018, 10:22:07 AM

I am glad you like the locks!
Here are pictures of the brass work.
Yesterday I found a nice piece of stock.
I hope the grain of the wood is what I have in mind.


(https://preview.ibb.co/buhSzS/adrie_011.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mRQQm7)

(https://preview.ibb.co/jxjwtn/adrie_007.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nmU7zS)

(https://preview.ibb.co/iyxczS/adrie_008.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jOpCYn)

(https://preview.ibb.co/hrVVKS/adrie_014.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mUHAKS)

(https://preview.ibb.co/fXrO67/adrie_021.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bYeXzS)

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Bob Roller on May 06, 2018, 04:04:35 PM

Those little locks are beautiful.I have made perhaps 3 very small locks
in my 50 years of lock work and I won't do any more of them.
Keep up the good work and we all enjoy your postings.

Bob Roller

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Iktomi on May 06, 2018, 05:32:49 PM

Amazing...

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: P.W.Berkuta on May 06, 2018, 07:58:09 PM

Did you cast the cock and lock plate? They look cast to my eye? Great work Adrie ;). You have a LOT of talent - what do you do for a living?

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Adrie luke on May 07, 2018, 01:18:48 AM

Bob Roller,

From somebody who has 50 years of experience in lock work,
This is a very big compliment. Thanks!

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Adrie luke on June 01, 2018, 06:50:13 PM

I am busy with the walnut stock. The walnut is not my best friend, it splinters very easy.

(https://preview.ibb.co/mPuwSd/DSC00038.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gcgbSd)

(https://preview.ibb.co/mBTZDJ/DSC00045.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ebEkLy)

(https://preview.ibb.co/g8oFnd/DSC00065.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nfbeDJ)

(https://preview.ibb.co/eLw1Sd/DSC00069.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bVBqLy)


For distraction I have made a powder horn. I know this is not the site for it, but I will show it.
The powder horn is on full scale. This time I would know how it feels in the full scale world!


(https://preview.ibb.co/mcfEDJ/DSC00074.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n9GnYJ)

(https://preview.ibb.co/g6fWtJ/DSC00075.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b5kxYJ)

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: stubshaft on June 01, 2018, 07:34:27 PM

You do great work!  Always a joy to see what surprises you come up with.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: fjohnson on June 02, 2018, 05:59:35 AM

you were born in the wrong time and wrong place.   you should be building full size rifles     awsome work---keep it up

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Chowmi on June 02, 2018, 06:07:56 AM

Adrie,
Beautiful work on the gun and the powder horn!

Your skills always amaze me. That powderhorn is fantastic.

I will be in Amsterdam in June. I will send you a Personal message.

All the best to you and Gonny,

Norm.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Craig Wilcox on June 03, 2018, 06:56:18 PM

Adrie, I don't see any trips to the Netherlands in my future, but would truly enjoy meeting you and talking workmanship.  What you are doing making these scale firearms is really amazing.


I am sure that the Netherlands, like Great Britain and some other European countries, has limits on what you can make in the way of firearms.  Would those limitations be one of the reasons that you make scale-size weapons?


Besides your steel work, you also do fascinating brass and wood work.  And your engraving - I am very envious!


Keep up the good stuff, as we are all learning  by watching.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Chowmi on June 05, 2018, 05:57:57 AM

Adrie,
If I may offer some advice, have a look at your moulding around the lock. That moulding should be super skinny. Have a look at Dave Person’s English fowler tutorial.
If I had sent you that Kibler stock already, you would see what i mean.
On a full sized gun, the moulding surrounding the lock might be 1/8th of and inch (31Millimetres) or even less. On your 1/5th scale guns I guess that would be about 6  Millimetres.
Also note how there are no flat surfaces on Dave Persons gun, specifically from the lock mortise into the wrist.

You do great work, and I have been telling everyone here at the gunsmithing seminar in Kentucky about you. Keep it up! 

Norm.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Chowmi on June 05, 2018, 06:35:52 AM

Adrie,
I made a drawing to show my point.

It’s a terrible drawing, but still shows what I mean.
Skinny lock mortise, but maybe a bit thicker at the nose, like on Dave’s guns.

Also, the wood on the side of your tang is flat. In other words, it is straight across all the way. It should angle down. If you fix the wide lock mortise, then this will fix itself.  The wood on either side of the tang should angle down fairly sharply, in a straight line to the lock mortise.

I hope I have shown this in the drawing. The picture is from the rear of the gun, looking at the tang.

Here is my terrible drawing: 

(https://preview.ibb.co/iWL3f8/DFE21_F4_C_FB0_E_4073_A703_4_CCE29752_CCC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/caf3f8)

Gonny,
I hope I have made this easy to translate! 

Cheers,
Norm.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Adrie luke on June 05, 2018, 11:44:14 AM

Hello Norm,

Thanks for your advice. I need someone who puts his finger on the right place.
On the drawing of Track and Wolff you can not see everything.
I follow the topic of Smart dog and I store the pictures I need.
I understand what you mean.

(https://image.ibb.co/cHVCq8/Clipboard02.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gd7E3T)

Only his barrel tang is higher because he used a moveable barrel.
I use pins for the barrel because right now I do not dare to make barrel keys.
On your drawing I see a beavertail. Is it necessary to use this?

(https://image.ibb.co/b1YOV8/cVQdNMc.jpg) (https://ibb.co/buqRiT)

I think this is a good example.

Adrie

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Chowmi on June 06, 2018, 02:41:17 AM

Adrie,
I just drew the beaver tails out of habit. I don’t know enough about fowlers to give you a definite answer. I certainly think some fowlers had them, but not all of them.

I was hoping someone else would chime in with a good answer to that question.

Cheers,
Norm.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Adrie luke on June 24, 2018, 07:10:55 PM

Fowling update.

The carving is not that easy, as I told it's not my wood.
One wrong move and it splinters, but I take my time.
When the rifle is finished I will share the pictures.



(https://preview.ibb.co/e3Qy28/DSC00132.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cWpQh8)

(https://preview.ibb.co/ktQRpo/DSC00130.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fONjaT)

(https://preview.ibb.co/g2i7vT/DSC00118.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hfJwpo)

(https://preview.ibb.co/mHOwpo/DSC00121.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kknNUo)

(https://preview.ibb.co/hVcjaT/DSC00123.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jnmMN8)

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Ky-Flinter on June 24, 2018, 07:59:24 PM

Quote from: Adrie luke on June 01, 2018, 06:50:13 PM

.......For distraction I have made a powder horn. I know this is not the site for it, but I will show it.
The powder horn is on full scale. This time I would know how it feels in the full scale world!

(https://preview.ibb.co/mcfEDJ/DSC00074.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n9GnYJ)

(https://preview.ibb.co/g6fWtJ/DSC00075.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b5kxYJ)

Hi Adrie,

As always I enjoy seeing your wonderful work.  Since powder horns are an important part of longrifle use, they are very welcome here, and you have made a very nice one, indeed.

-Ron

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Will Payne on June 24, 2018, 11:15:08 PM

Are you to use those locks in a gun?
Will

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Adrie luke on June 26, 2018, 06:42:38 PM

Barrel work
I  am satisfied with the sight.


(https://preview.ibb.co/bAXqKo/DSC00184.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nNqczo)

(https://preview.ibb.co/hfYms8/DSC00185.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fsWHzo)

(https://preview.ibb.co/meWjeo/DSC00186.jpg) (https://ibb.co/m3fczo)

(https://preview.ibb.co/maGZeo/DSC00187.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d8khX8)

(https://preview.ibb.co/mPyrQT/DSC00188.jpg) (https://ibb.co/e49y5T)

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Vulcan on June 27, 2018, 01:42:42 AM

Simply amazing work.

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Chowmi on June 27, 2018, 03:22:34 AM

Adrie,
that sight looks good!  I like the barrel under lugs as well. 

I think you did the tang carving after I saw the gun at your house right?  The carving is nice.  I cannot believe how you do that carving so small! 

Are you going to bore that barrel out so it is thin at the muzzle?  That would make it much lighter and it will balance well! 

Cheers,
Norm

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: Chowmi on June 27, 2018, 07:01:22 AM

Quote from: Ky-Flinter on June 24, 2018, 07:59:24 PM

Quote from: Adrie luke on June 01, 2018, 06:50:13 PM

.......For distraction I have made a powder horn. I know this is not the site for it, but I will show it.
The powder horn is on full scale. This time I would know how it feels in the full scale world!

(https://preview.ibb.co/mcfEDJ/DSC00074.jpg) (https://ibb.co/n9GnYJ)

(https://preview.ibb.co/g6fWtJ/DSC00075.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b5kxYJ)

Hi Adrie,

As always I enjoy seeing your wonderful work.  Since powder horns are an important part of longrifle use, they are very welcome here, and you have made a very nice one, indeed.

-Ron

I do not wish to hijack this thread, so I will post pictures on the "Accoutrements" page.

I visited Adrie in Amsterdam, and he presented me with this powder horn.  It is a gift that I will treasure for all my life. 
Thank you Adrie and Gonny,

Norm

Title: Re: Flintlock rifle.
Post by: stubshaft on June 27, 2018, 08:16:08 PM

Every time I visit this thread and see what he has added I am astounded by his workmanship.