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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: David Price on August 08, 2020, 06:42:31 PM
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I actually finished building this rifle two years ago. I didn't build it for any person in particular, I used it to demonstrate the different aspects of building to some of my students and friends, and after a while there was the gun, all finished.
The rifle is typical N.E. style, with a hickory wood under rib. I did slim it down a bit and the weight comes in at just over six lbs. It has a hooked breach and I just added a 54 cal smooth bore barrel to it. It shoots both shot and round ball excellent.
One of my neighbors dropped by my shop for visit last week and fell in love with it so it has found a new home.
(https://i.ibb.co/T4kHrHC/IMG-4085.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PcN5t5S)
(https://i.ibb.co/th6Bwm6/IMG-4087.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N3qxgVq)
(https://i.ibb.co/J3jwqd8/IMG-4080.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7ktdQzB)
(https://i.ibb.co/PGB2Snv/IMG-4073.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hFpGqjJ)
(https://i.ibb.co/jvRfYdX/IMG-4081.jpg) (https://ibb.co/svHR4hY)
(https://i.ibb.co/qJ6bNrL/IMG-4072.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kmZY4SV)
(https://i.ibb.co/zrw9dtW/IMG-4067.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1Lxyc4Y)
(https://i.ibb.co/8jYJ2GC/IMG-4070.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cNYPtRB)
(https://i.ibb.co/FqFXnBR/IMG-4071.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4gH2Jjh)
(https://i.ibb.co/DMHGt0h/IMG-4056.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FYLsKR2)
(https://i.ibb.co/QMdq4Mv/IMG-4091.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qp54vpY)
These two targets tell the whole story.
(https://i.ibb.co/LtmzwNk/IMG-4094.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0MTjNsD)
(https://i.ibb.co/PjDLF1D/IMG-4096.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XLYQjFY)
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Very cool and interesting Dave. Thanks for sharing.
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That is a neat, pretty little gun, Dave. Very "useful" as well as shown by the targets.
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Very nice. Who made the barrel and is the stock cherry?
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Bob,
Yes the stock is cherry . Most NE Guns were either walnut or cherry, but not all. The 40 cal rifle barrel was a barrel I purchased many years ago which was with a group of ten barrels. I believe it was a Douglas. It is capable of shooting one hole at 25 yds. The 54 cal smooth bore is one of the barrels that was left over from my swivel breach kit project, built by Green Mt.
NE guns had a few distinct features that other styles did not have. I have included a picture of the original rifle that I copied the patch box, engraving, and checkering from. Also notice the nose cap, the double pinned thimbles, and the little tab at the front of the trigger guard. The builder of this antique was Henry Pratt of Boston.
The silver inlay and wire in the cheek piece I copied from an original Silas Allen rifle
(https://i.ibb.co/DDv3RL9/IMG-4101.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vxT2jD3)
(https://i.ibb.co/6bXtb60/IMG-4102.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hHYdHpF)
(https://i.ibb.co/cwGPKW4/IMG-4104.jpg) (https://ibb.co/T1VZDQ9)
(https://i.ibb.co/PT9j0W4/IMG-4105.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1sdQjXK)
(https://i.ibb.co/3RqMq11/IMG-4106.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8YpdpMM)
These last two pictures show the cow horn on my rifle, I think I made it a tad too long, and the little tab on the front of the trigger guard.
(https://i.ibb.co/44btSPJ/IMG-4108.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P12jWwt)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZYCrrP5/IMG-4109.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D8nFFyh)
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David - Glad i got a chance to look at this one before it left your shop and went down the road
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David--You've built a very nice rifle!
I'm partial to New England Rifles rather than Kentucky Rifles. Unfortunately, the New England rifles do not have the mystique of Kentucky rifles. I only have one of each, New England and Kentucky, primarily because that's what I can afford at this late stage of life.
I believe that relative to quantities of each type built and surviving, the New England rifles tend to have survived more in original condition, in other words, original flint. I attribute that to the fact that the majority of New England Rifles were built for Militia members as evidenced by the fact that most were in .54 cal which was standard for U.S Military flint rifles of the period. The .54 cal was much too heavy for hunting in New England in the 19th Century as most of the big game in Southern New England had been hunted to the brink of extinction in contrast to the game in PA, VA, Ohio, etc. The Kentucky's, in my opinion, were mostly converted to percussion and used for many years out of necessity because they were needed to acquire the staple of life, food.
In any event I posted my one and only New England Rifle back in August 2019. Below are a couple photos as a reminder.
Kent Johns
(https://i.ibb.co/cK52md3/NE-1.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
(https://i.ibb.co/fYmjpyC/NE-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N6wcjJL)
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David - as always, absolutely beautiful work and exceptional craftsmanship - I remember that rifle - and i'm glad it has a new home - Very well done my friend -
Jon
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David your work is very impressive.. Thanks for showing great gun... Oldtravler
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Wonderful gun Dave! You captured the style of engraving very well too. It is remarkable how consistent it was among rifles from different makers.
dave
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It is remarkable how consistent it was among rifles from different makers.
dave
The similarity of builder's work may be due to the fact that, in actuality, there were very few builders and many apprenticed for the same person. Also, it has been speculated that many of the builders purchased some of the brass components from a single source. The very similar engraving on much of the brass furniture is notable. As many of these New England rifles were for militia members it is to be expected that an approved "pattern" was followed.
Again, a very nice rifle indeed!
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Very nice, don't get to see many New England builds.
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Dave, how were the hickory ribs attached to the barrel?
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It's beautiful David, as are all of your creations.
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Does anybody sell the furniture for these? My father has a great example that I would like to copy, but furniture seems to be not too commonly sold. Beautiful gun
Greg
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Dave, how were the hickory ribs attached to the barrel?
I'm not Dave but... the ribs are pinned to barrel lugs just as they'd be on a full stock.
Kevin
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Kevin,
You are right. The thimbles were made with two tabs on them. The correct way to install them was to straddle the lug on the barrel.
(https://i.ibb.co/qjwfJwd/IMG-4138.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RbWmjW9)
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Kevin,
You are right. The thimbles were made with two tabs on them. The correct way to install them was to straddle the lug on the barrel.
David,
I'm not sure that I've seen any late flint, New England rifles where the pipes didn't straddle the barrel tenons. And, I don't recall seeing this anywhere else. Also, I really enjoy seeing your rifles. Thank you.
I do have a question on the trigger guards... were the guards cast with the little tab on the front or were they soldered on later?
Kevin
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Kevin
When I was designing my NE Rifle I had the benefit of twelve original rifles here in my shop to examine, that were owned by my friends. All the trigger guards had the little tab on the front cast with the trigger guard. I can't say that all NE rifles were that way, only the ones that I have seen. I can't help but wonder what was the purpose of it.
David Price
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All the trigger guards had the little tab on the front cast with the trigger guard. I can't say that all NE rifles were that way, only the ones that I have seen. I can't help but wonder what was the purpose of it.
David Price
Dave,
That style triggerguard is a hallmark of the New England rifle. I've never read anything about the "why of it". I can recall seeing only one rifle that had all of the defining characteristics of the New England Rifle that had a triggerguard without that long narrow tit at the front.
I'm trying to locate a very old issue of Man at Arms that had an article about these rifles. Perhaps the secret is in that article.
Anyway, love your rifle.
Kent
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(https://i.ibb.co/cK52md3/NE-1.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
(https://i.ibb.co/fYmjpyC/NE-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N6wcjJL)
I have one with the identical patch box - which is not one of the common ones - signed "W. Allen" on the barrel. So far, I've not been able to identify W. Allen though it's almost certain he was a relative of Silas. As to trigger guards...I have two or three that don't have the little projecting tit at the front. Henry Pratt often didn't use it but had a distinctive guard with a hand rail similar to the 1817 Common Rifle. I also have one with an obviously imported English trigger guard that is also seen on militia muskets and fowlers.
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(https://i.ibb.co/cK52md3/NE-1.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
(https://i.ibb.co/fYmjpyC/NE-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N6wcjJL)
I have one with the identical patch box - which is not one of the common ones - signed "W. Allen" on the barrel. So far, I've not been able to identify W. Allen though it's almost certain he was a relative of Silas. As to trigger guards...I have two or three that don't have the little projecting tit at the front. Henry Pratt often didn't use it but had a distinctive guard with a hand rail similar to the 1817 Common Rifle. I also have one with an obviously imported English trigger guard that is also seen on militia muskets and fowlers.
The article was by Don Andreason. It had to be nearly 30 years ago and I also remember that it was in an issue we had a problem with. There were just enough copies to mail to the subscribers so I'm sure we don't have a left over back issue. If you call the office, Kristin can get you a scan of that issue. It was the only article by Don so it should be easy to find in the index.
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Joe--Thanks for the info.
I was able to find my copy of the Mag. It was Vol four number six Nov/Dec 1982. pgs 10-15.
It is a great article for anyone with even a passing interest in New England rifles. It draws from Andreasen's many years of collecting and these great rifles and examining well over 200 examples.