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General discussion => Antique Gun Collecting => Topic started by: rich pierce on July 27, 2024, 11:05:54 PM

Title: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: rich pierce on July 27, 2024, 11:05:54 PM
Saw this at Kempton. As usual, forgot the full length view.
(https://i.ibb.co/0sXCfjt/IMG-0132.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SfxtKXr)

(https://i.ibb.co/B6xT5Bv/IMG-0137.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7p5rdKB)

(https://i.ibb.co/hRS3ZLd/IMG-0136.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wNf5wBQ)

(https://i.ibb.co/wwScBFb/IMG-0139.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dLPmjw3)

(https://i.ibb.co/F8wF2hb/IMG-0141.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CV7fgw5)

(https://i.ibb.co/RpLqhJ3/IMG-0142.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XZmqyG7)

(https://i.ibb.co/VqchgHS/IMG-0143.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DRH69GC)

(https://i.ibb.co/VxH8QcV/IMG-0144.jpg) (https://ibb.co/68v517Y)

(https://i.ibb.co/qBjzht8/IMG-0148.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1ZQ3BDN)
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Shreckmeister on July 27, 2024, 11:12:15 PM
Love it!
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Mark Tyler on July 28, 2024, 12:34:24 AM
I was admiring that one earlier today too. There is also an “Indian” engraved on the patchbox lid too.
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Eric Kettenburg on July 28, 2024, 12:37:35 AM
That's #19 on the KRA 2010 Lehigh CD.

I don't think it's a Herman (defintiely not) or John Rupp (probably not), and I'm positive it's not a Moll or a Neihardt.

I really have not been able to figure out a maker, and it's pretty darn unique while clearly emulating the 'pop' style of the Rupps/Molls.
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Eric Kettenburg on July 28, 2024, 01:00:02 AM
In fact, to be blunt, I think it was made by someone north and west of Allentown - possibly over into eastern Berks - who was emulating the popular style of the Allentown area but was not entirely used to working in that style.  Kind of like, for example, if someone popped in on Stoffil Long with an Allentown rifle and said 'Make me one like this.'

Does this make sense?
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Avlrc on July 28, 2024, 03:14:51 AM
WOW, the cheekpiece engraving & carving remind me of an album cover from some '70s rock band.
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: 120RIR on July 28, 2024, 10:02:06 PM
Outstanding and about a folksy as they get.  $250 seems a little high though.  ;-)
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: DaveM on July 28, 2024, 11:04:18 PM
Funky - does not strike me as anstadt family eitherr.
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Fullstock longrifle on July 28, 2024, 11:39:35 PM
It looks like it could be a Jacob George
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Eric Kettenburg on July 29, 2024, 12:35:42 AM
You said it not me!   ;D ;D. I mentioned that about 5 years ago to someone and was laughed at...

But you seem to see what I'm trying to indicate - it looks like something made over in eastern Berks or NW of Allentown by someone *copying* what was the style in Allentown, but not quite used to working in that style.

I have no idea if it's Jacob George or not but I would bet some $$$ that the underlying concept is on the money.
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Fullstock longrifle on July 29, 2024, 02:21:39 AM
Quote from: Eric Kettenburg on July 29, 2024, 12:35:42 AM
You said it not me!   ;D ;D. I mentioned that about 5 years ago to someone and was laughed at...

But you seem to see what I'm trying to indicate - it looks like something made over in eastern Berks or NW of Allentown by someone *copying* what was the style in Allentown, but not quite used to working in that style.

I have no idea if it's Jacob George or not but I would bet some $$$ that the underlying concept is on the money.

Yes, I see what you’re saying. George’s early work sure has the feel of the gun pictured. Here’s a signed Jacob George.


(https://i.ibb.co/K7dKp1w/IMG-7821.jpg) (https://ibb.co/P4KDvSQ)

(https://i.ibb.co/ZKYYH6d/IMG-7822.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vmQQsx1)

(https://i.ibb.co/d2DVKCS/IMG-7823.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6PFTs92)
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Buck on July 29, 2024, 03:19:25 AM
Frank,

What was the date on the George Rifle in the article?

I’d agree with Dave, as funky as it is, it’s not Angstat funky. I had to look twice at the carving above the thumb rest - it has some similarity to the Adam attributed rifles.

Buck
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Fullstock longrifle on July 29, 2024, 03:25:14 AM
Quote from: Buck on July 29, 2024, 03:19:25 AM
Frank,

What was the date on the George Rifle in the article?

I’d agree with Dave, as funky as it is, it’s not Angstat funky. I had to look twice at the carving above the thumb rest - it has some similarity to the Adam attributed rifles.

Buck

Unfortunately I’m not sure of the date of the George Buck, anything I said would only be a guess.
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Eric Kettenburg on July 29, 2024, 04:06:03 AM
If that Jacob George rifle is the one that was down at the Albany twp historical society years ago (I saw it down there at one of the local hist soc w/ Rich Hujsa  but now I forget which one it was), it's signed and dated 1817.  I think it's the same rifle.
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Shreckmeister on July 29, 2024, 03:07:57 PM
What kind of patchbox did it have?
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Eric Kettenburg on July 29, 2024, 04:23:27 PM
It's a brass box, typical Jacob George.  And it's definitely the same rifle.  1817.

George Shumway wrote up an article in MB around this rifle but I don't remember the issue.  Probably early 2000s.
Title: Re: Funky Lehigh, not signed
Post by: Mike Brooks on July 30, 2024, 05:07:42 PM
Nifty. I'm especially inspired by the thickness of the trigger guard.