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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: Jim Kibler on October 09, 2025, 10:44:46 PM
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Production of Hawken breech plugs has begun. No castings here! Machined from barstock on a state of the art mill / turn CNC machine in one operation.
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What alloy? Looks very nice.
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What alloy? Looks very nice.
1137
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Thanks.
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Well these be sold as a single item and what size barrels and threads?
Bob Roller
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Simply amazing how good they look coming off the cnc. I remember a friend of mine working for lots of hours to clean up castings, that didn’t include threading and then drilling the flash hole.
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Just like magic!
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Those are sweet! 8)
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amazing. ;)
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A lot to love there, Jim! Sweet breech plug.
Curtis
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flawless
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Well these be sold as a single item and what size barrels and threads?
Bob Roller
We sell all of our replacement parts individually, so they will be available. They might be sold as a set with the standing breech. This is threaded 3/4 - 16 for the plug and 1/4 - 28 for the nipple. Thanks!
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A lot to love there, Jim! Sweet breech plug.
Curtis
Thank you Curtis. We put a lot into each part we make. It's nice when people understand and appreciate this.
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The entire design is impressing me more and more. On the hooked breach of the one you made, how much work is it to get such a fine fit between the barrel and the tang recepticle? Will precise filing that interface be required to get such a good fit with an almost imperceptible line? I want mine to look this good!
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No fitting work on the customer's part will be required with the plug / standing breech assembly. It will be fit up when you receive it and look like the finished example. Thanks!
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wuuuut?! No hours of hand fitting, only to take too much off in the wrong place and being forced to buy a new ( sometimes unavailable) set to start over? Niiiiice!!
It will be interesting to see the demand for these, above kit demand. Could almost be a stand-alone business? Well, for a couple months anyways.
nicely done, Mr. Kibler!
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wuuuut?! No hours of hand fitting, only to take too much off in the wrong place and being forced to buy a new ( sometimes unavailable) set to start over? Niiiiice!!
It will be interesting to see the demand for these, above kit demand. Could almost be a stand-alone business? Well, for a couple months anyways.
nicely done, Mr. Kibler!
Thanks. Although we'll sell them to anyone who wants them, the custom gun market is quite small compared to the kit market.
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No fitting work on the customer's part will be required with the plug / standing breech assembly. It will be fit up when you receive it and look like the finished example. Thanks!
I'll buy THAT for a dollar! Thanks.
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Nice!
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Vert clean looking. It would be interesting to see the firing chamber end so we will know what to expect as far as cleaning it.
Regards.
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Jim,
Can you comment on how the nipple hole is connected to the main chamber? For example, is it drilled from the opposite side and then plugged?
Thanks.
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That is a good looking part, scallops that fine will sand out quickly and easily for finishing. Toolpaths on that are really clean. Not easy to do that close to the chuck/collet.
What specific machine are you running that on Jim?
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No fitting work on the customer's part will be required with the plug / standing breech assembly. It will be fit up when you receive it and look like the finished example. Thanks!
Jim, appears many of our members recognize your efforts as being "above and beyond" anything else produced for their customers. BRAVO!! 8)
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I think this is pretty much standard on this type of Hawken styled plug. About the only other option is to chamber it deeper and then drill a cross hole and plug as suggested.
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Vert clean looking. It would be interesting to see the firing chamber end so we will know what to expect as far as cleaning it.
Regards.
I would just put the breech in a bucket of water and siphon it through the barrel.
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That is a good looking part, scallops that fine will sand out quickly and easily for finishing. Toolpaths on that are really clean. Not easy to do that close to the chuck/collet.
What specific machine are you running that on Jim?
We use a Mazak Integrex I150.
https://www.mazak.com/us-en/products/integrex-i-150/
This is a pretty neat machine for small parts like this. Instead of a sub-spindle it has a vise that can rotate up, grab the part, cut off, rotate down and work on the back face, then automatically unload.
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The breach fit up looks perfect! Great work! Just finalized the order for my JK Hawken in 54 caliber and walnut. Now just waiting for a shipment date.
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Gosh - all your parts look like jewelry not gun parts - amazing!
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Vert clean looking. It would be interesting to see the firing chamber end so we will know what to expect as far as cleaning it.
Regards.
I would just put the breech in a bucket of water and siphon it through the barrel.
That is how we clean ALL of our rifles, regardless of the style of breech. No, they do not get chewed up around the pin holes. Does not take much skill to do this, as even I can do it.
Cap locks get the nipple removed first.
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Amazing work Jim! The fit is incredible. Are you building the percussion locks?
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We use a Mazak Integrex I150.
https://www.mazak.com/us-en/products/integrex-i-150/
This is a pretty neat machine for small parts like this. Instead of a sub-spindle it has a vise that can rotate up, grab the part, cut off, rotate down and work on the back face, then automatically unload.
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That is a slick machine, the SMOOTH control is very nice as well. Mazak is a Tier 1 machine for sure.
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Much better than the standard way they are doing them now. Looks like a straight path up to the nipple area. Bravo!
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A question…. Has anyone seen original Hawken rifles with breech plugs constructed such that the flash channel has to be plugged on the far side of the plug? This would be in lieu of an angled hole as I have shown.
Thanks
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Jim
The picture you show of the plug with the flash hole drilled at an angle, does the drill cut into the wall of the plug at about 5 o'clock? Perhaps I am looking at the part wrong, but that area would get plugged up with fouling? Or am I looking at it wrong?
Great looking rifle, the lines flow well.
Thanks
Fleener
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Fleener,
What you are seeing is where the cross hole slightly cuts into the corner created by the chamber in the plug face. There isn’t much room for this cross hole in this style of plug and it pretty much has to go in this exact orientation. In my mind I don’t think it would be any real issue with trapping fouling with proper cleaning. I think this feature is standard fare for a Hawken plug. Other commercially made plugs I’ve seen are just like this. Thanks
Jim
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A work of art unto itself...!!
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Jim, I just spent several hours fitting up a Hawken breech that when I got through with it, doesn’t come close to the fit up that you have achieved. Your quality of craftsmanship has amazed me from the first time I met you at WKU. Well done. What breech widths will these be available in?
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Thank you Jim. I wish I could go back to those days at the WKU seminar. It was great fun. I’ll bet it’s been almost twenty years.
As far as the plugs and standing breech goes, it will just be available in 1 1/16”.
Keep up your great work as well.
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That breech plug will stay clean after multiple shots. Much better than drilled straight across and plugged.
I ordered one on faith that that is how you would machine it. Outstanding.
Your work never disappoints and always a great value for the dollar spent.
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I'm excited for those plugs to be available. I'm also excited to get one of these kits, although it's going to be awhile until I get to order one
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For those who like the long thin angled flash hole, what do you do to keep it clear and keep the gun firing reliably? Especially the first shot when there is likely oil in the hole.
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My Griffen Tool breech is drilled in this manner and has never been a problem. I snap a cap or two and load with complete reliably.