Author Topic: Inletting a Patch Box  (Read 7821 times)

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Inletting a Patch Box
« on: October 02, 2015, 11:24:25 PM »
What is the recommended tool/s for inletting a patch box?

My plan was to first scribe around the patch box with a robust sewing needle installed in a wooden dowel. Then I was going to set the depth of the area to be inletted by using a drill with a stop collar set to the thickness of patch box flange. Then I plan to use a gouge and or chisel to remove the wood within the boundaries of the patch box.

But I'm struggling with a way to make a crisp cut around the perimeter of the patch box.

What tool is most recommended for this operation?

Thank you and regards,

Jason

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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2015, 11:31:59 PM »
1ST, bevel the entire edge of your patchbox.....
2nd use a xacto knife and carefully line around it
3rd, back cut the line
4th clearout the mat'l wood to proper depth.....
lamp black then for high spots.......

tomtom said so.......... ;D

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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2015, 11:47:07 PM »
If its a brass box you might want to anneal the brass and then form it to the stock surface after you have or before, you file a slight draft to the edges.

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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2015, 11:50:25 PM »
1ST, bevel the entire edge of your patchbox.....
2nd use a xacto knife and carefully line around it
3rd, back cut the line
4th clearout the mat'l wood to proper depth.....
lamp black then for high spots.......

tomtom said so.......... ;D

Wow, beveling the patch box strikes me as a great first step, thank you.  

Presumably the bevel around the patch box is made with various files and if viewed from the top, the bevel tilts away from the patch box?  And to get that clean cut in the maple around the perimeter of the patch box an Xacto knife is the tool of choice, presumably making multiple cuts?

Have I interpreted your instructions correctly?

Thank you and regards,

Jason
« Last Edit: October 03, 2015, 03:46:50 PM by JCurtiss »

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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2015, 11:55:42 PM »
If its a brass box you might want to anneal the brass and then form it to the stock surface after you have or before, you file a slight draft to the edges.

Thank you for that suggestion!

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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2015, 01:02:01 AM »
My suggestion...study a couple of "how to" books. What you're asking about is contained in detail in these books. ....Fred

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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2015, 01:17:52 AM »
My suggestion...study a couple of "how to" books. What you're asking about is contained in detail in these books. ....Fred

Well, I thought the same thing. So I bought "Recreating the American Longrifle" and from what I can tell, it doesn't specifically address how to inlay for a patch box.

Perhaps I've overlooked it?

You seem to have a couple of books in mind regarding this subject, so please let me know their titles.

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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2015, 01:26:50 AM »
Jason

Heres how I do it tools including the tools used http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=29664.0

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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2015, 01:45:48 AM »
Mitch,

Beautiful work!

So did you purchase those lens-shaped chisels, or did you modify some existing chisels?

Jason

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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2015, 01:47:28 AM »
Anneal brass. file an under cut bevel on the inlay. Screw the box down where you  want it. Draw a pencil line around the box. Cut inside the line with appropriate straight and sweep chisels. Use inleting black on your edges and reinstal the box with screws. Remove the box and relieve the edges where the black has printed. Repeat until it fits or you go insane. remove wood until it's more or less flush with the wood level. File wood and box together to make it all the same level. Lots of these guys use an exacto...I never had enough control to do that. Lots more control stabing with chisels for me.

I guess I do it sort of like Mitch but I use a pencil to draw around the inlay.
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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2015, 02:24:20 AM »
The bevel is filed, yes. It is a very very slight bevel, like 2-3 degrees, Its kind of like you know you did it but can barely see it. The bevel goes from the top surface to underneath it. Think of holding a rule vertical on the edge of the brass and tilting it outward, away from the center, a couple of degrees, that would be the angle of the bevel and what I'm saying is the bevel tucks under the edge not outward from it. Also, I have no idea what type of box you're doing but remember you are working on a curved surface so work accordingly - For instance the "old removing wood from the middle first" then out to the edges technique.

The exacto is one method, "stamping in" is another. The thing is with an exacto cut you can't then go back and wet the edges for a snug fit since the knife slices the wood fibers, with the stamping technique you can as the fibers are only pushed aside and they will close around an inlet when dampened. I use the exacto knife which I am very confident with (I stamp when doing wire work though). Use temporary screws to keep the box in place while you cut, in any case you will want to use some method to ensure it does not move during the cutting. If using the knife tilt it at the same angle as your bevel as you go around, the first cut is very light, don't try and go deep with it. You can then go around again with a deeper cut, or not, according to how confident you feel with that knife but at least you know have the outline on the wood and could go to other tools to deepen the cut, even stamping, its up to you and how you feel. At this point I would go around the inside of the cut with a mallet driven V tool, a veiner, a small one staying immediately inside the cut. This makes removing the wood along the edge easier which I do mostly with a one-quarter or half-inch inch chisels using a slicing motion. Check out Mitch Yates inletting tutorial:

http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=29664.0

A patchbox is just a large inlay with moving parts...  ::)

For more on the stabbing technique look at Tom Currin's tutorial:

http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=29820.0

For tools I use the exacto knife and do about 90% of the wood removal with a very sharp 1/4" or 1/2" parting chisel using slicing cuts, otherwise I use a small sweep, like a #3 3/16's" size and a small curved bladed skew like the bottom one on this website, the palm tool:

https://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/store/dept/TXQSS/item/IL-RAYGHS.XX

That skew is really handy in tight places but you have to keep it beyond razor sharp.

After you've gotten your edges defined resort to lamp black or some tale-tale marking agent of your choice to bring the brass down.

Good luck, before you run into trouble ask questions...  ;)

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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2015, 04:25:18 AM »
mr Rase had a great presentation on this topic several weeks ago look a page or two further down

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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2015, 04:35:24 AM »

Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to post your excellent advice on inletting  a patch box.  
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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2015, 05:01:56 PM »
JCurtis.....sorry for the mislead....it's been a long ime since I read those books.  Got the procedure from somewhere and didn't ask anyone how to do it....I guess it just happened.

Yes...I use an Exacto knife w/ a reshaped point....the factory point will break in short order. A 1/32" radius does the job for me.

All the pieces of the Pbox, are screwed down and closely formed to the stock shape....,the  finial only has the center screw holding it down. Start w/ the finial and outline w/ the Exacto knife and when inletted, use all 3 screws then the attached lid.  Once the lid is outlined, I cut out the cavity to eliminate a lot of surface. Then the sideplates.

Dave Rase's tutorial gives many more details.....Fred
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Re: Inletting a Patch Box
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2015, 07:09:32 PM »
 Here is the Link to David Race's Toutorial:

     http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=37036.0
    
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