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Carving advise
« on: July 21, 2016, 01:36:06 AM »
I want to learn low relief carving.  I bought a Jack Brooks' Beginning Carving cd and a few carving tools a few years ago and have finally gotten around to learning to properly sharpen them.  

I bought a box of rifle parts and about thirty chisels, gouges, skews, veiners and v tools ar a rendesvous.   About half of them are palm tools and some of the large ones are Phiels and one has a wood screw touchmark and some of the veiners look similar to Phiels but don't have any markings.   The largest v tool is a 7mm Marples but I can't figure out what degree it is.  If I mesured it correctly its about 70 degrees.  I tried to match the tools' sweeps and sizes to those in TOWs catalog with little success.

I'm sure I'll have a lot more questions when I get deeper into this, but here are the first two.  If you could only have one v tool, what would be it's angle and width?  The other question is will poplar be a decent wood to practice on or should I look for something else?

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Re: Carving advise
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2016, 02:36:30 AM »
I don't know about the angle.   I use the Pfeil V gouges, 1 & 3 mm.   However, they need to be reground to get the heel out of the way so that you can make a reasonably deep, sharp cut.   I downloaded some instructions on how to re-grind the chisels, but I don't remember from where.   Perhaps someone else here has that link.

You don't really need to know the exact size and sweep of the chisels.   Just line them up in approx order of sweep and size.   Then you just pick the sweep and size that matches your carving.   You don't need a complete set.   I have picked up chisels here and there.    Maybe one of these days,  I will learn how to use them.   ;D

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Re: Carving advise
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2016, 03:01:45 AM »
I would suggest you get a hard piece of maple to practice on, primarily because that's most likely what the gun stock will be.

I like smaller V gouges, as Mark mentioned, and really don't have a preference as to angle, either will work.  I should add that I rarely utilize a V gouge to cut in a design, preferring to stab designs.



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Re: Carving advise
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2016, 04:08:36 AM »
You should be able to find some decent maple scraps for practice at a local hardwood supply or a Woodcraft store.  Some pallets surprisingly have decent hardwood.  A bundle of firewood can work also.

There are carvers who use v chisels to outline the work and others who use the stabbing in technique.  Certainly the v chisels can be quick.
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Re: Carving advise
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2016, 04:14:59 AM »
Traditional carving books teach using the V chisels to remove the wood away from stabbed in cuts, not instead of stabbing.  I don't use them that way though.  I use them just to cut incised lines.

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Re: Carving advise
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2016, 11:56:51 AM »
Wallace Gusler has an excellent video of carving a Virginia rifle.  He also covers sharpening, stropping, and use.  I believe it was made by American Pioneer Video.
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Re: Carving advise
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2016, 01:59:06 PM »
You have alot more chisels than I do and I've been making a living at this for 20years!.
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Re: Carving advise
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2016, 02:47:47 PM »
I really like the Wallace Gussler video and it is from American Pioneer Video.  Also, check out Jim Kibler's book from his website. 

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Re: Carving advise
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2016, 05:39:59 PM »
You have alot more chisels than I do and I've been making a living at this for 20years!.

The Chambers York kit I'm currently working on is for my wife and will be the third rifle I assembled.  My first one was a steel mounted TOW Southern Mountain rifle and the other one was a Chambers Lancaster that I have been shooting about ten years.  I could only bring myself to do incised lines on its forestock and the lower buttstock.

I  happened to be in the right place at the right time and lucked up on those tools for fifty dollars.  The guy I bought them from said he got them at an estate sale.  There were several barrel channel scrapers and carving knives, and other home made tools in the box.  I also bought a box with three steel trigger guards, several buttplates, a handful of loading rod pipes and wood screws, and two Davis double set triggers from him dirt cheap.  I suspect they were someone's prized tools and someone disposed of them when he died. 

I wouldn't have been able to justify spending several hundred dollars on carving tools even if I was confident I could learn to carve, but now that I have the tools and plan to retire at the end of the year I'll have more time to dedicate to learning how to carve.

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Re: Carving advise
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2016, 05:47:40 PM »
 I think you have to remember that the old masters, probably had a few tools that they made themselves. They no doubt learned to use what they had, and relyed on learning how to get the most out of the tools they had, rather than trying to generate the perfect tool for each application.
 An old guy I was introduced to years ago, started carving longrifles after practicing on old table leafs he bought at second hand stores. His first project was a carved lintel to go above his front door. It turned out so well that his wife made him make one for every door in the house. He said he could carve one start, to finish, in about five hours. His carved longrifles looked authentic, not perfect. And at a time when the norm in newly built longrifles was to do the carving in very high relief, rather than the more authentic lower relief that actually fools the eye, he accomplished the latter like the old masters. Practice, practice, practice.

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Re: Carving advise
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Re: Carving advise
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2016, 04:16:13 PM »
Thanks for all the information, I'm sure it will all be useful.

I appreciate the time everyone has taken pointing me in the right direction.

Richard