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Longrifle barrel keys
« on: July 29, 2010, 07:40:21 PM »
In looking at pics of old guns it sometimes appears that those with small barrel keys have headless keys.  Is this so, or is it just the perspective when viewing photos.  I've never had an opportunity to see one in person.
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Re: Longrifle barrel keys
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2010, 08:08:08 PM »
Usually the heads are on the left side of the stock, when viewed from the buttstock end.
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Re: Longrifle barrel keys
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2010, 01:33:06 AM »
Acer, so are you saying that they all had heads and it's just a matter of which side of the stock one is looking at?
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Re: Longrifle barrel keys
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2010, 04:39:55 AM »
    A fair number of late period flintlocks were made with keys that had no head.  They were tapered somewhat and the taper locked them into place.  They usually just used a piece of brass .040-.060 to make them.

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Re: Longrifle barrel keys
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2010, 04:26:42 PM »
Acer, so are you saying that they all had heads and it's just a matter of which side of the stock one is looking at?
English guns have keys with the heads on the left. American guns seem to be pretty willy nilly, anything goes.
 So, come on guys, somebody spill the beans about installing keys, I have to do them this week and I want some trick to use that will save me about 6 hours of nerve racking labor..... :P
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Re: Longrifle barrel keys
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2010, 05:44:01 PM »
So, come on guys, somebody spill the beans about installing keys, I have to do them this week and I want some trick to use that will save me about 6 hours of nerve racking labor..... :P

I am certainly no expert -did one set, which fit just fine.  These tools are from Alexander's book  - after installing and inletting the barrel lug,  I drilled a set of small holes through both the forend and lug,  the slot in the lug was opened with a needle file,  the matching slot in the wood was done with these, made from a hacksaw blade


the key was made by cutting a strip of sheet brass the thickness of the slot and a little wider than the slot and a little longer than needed, then  gripping the strip in betwen these forms in a vise




the extra length was left exposed and peened into the head of the key,  the angle on the end of the form roughly matched a foreend. the head gets filed to the desired shape.

then a little taper is filed to the sides of the key and its a matter of try and fit.  Really did not take that long
« Last Edit: July 31, 2010, 05:45:35 PM by Rick Losey »
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Re: Longrifle barrel keys
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2010, 05:46:39 PM »
burn, baby, burn!  I was taught to outline the rectangle on each side of the stock, stab in the "ends" then chase a V-groove down the middle of the rectangular outline horizontally.  This aligns your drill holes.  Drill from both sides.  Inlet the first 1/8 or 3/16 of the rectangle a little undersize but clean.  Then burn out the rest with a red hot, slightly undersized "key on a stick".  Alternatively you can spend a lot of time with a rasp that has been carefully ground down.  It is theoretically possible to saw them but that has always been a disaster for me.  And I tried to make a broach but that tore the heck out of the wood.
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Re: Longrifle barrel keys
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2010, 05:52:54 PM »
I believe Taylor has a tutorial on this and he burns them in to final size - I think ;)
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Re: Longrifle barrel keys
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2010, 06:16:55 PM »
How long it takes depends on whether you will be using escutcheon plates over them, or not. If not, I drill three holes from each side inside the rectangle that represents the key, with the stock still "fat" along the forend.  I use a thin chisel made from a thin flat file, less than the thickness of the key, to break out the wood between the holes right to the lug, from each side.  then I use the same chisel to square up the outward ends of the rectangle, as Rich said.  From here, I heat a long "key" that is a little undersized to a dull red, and gently push it through, cleaning out the rest of the wood.  Sometimes, if the keys are to be of steel, I use the key itself to do the burning, but if brass, I make one of steel.  When you dress the stock forend wood down to finished size, you remove the burnt mess and find that the key is an exact fit.
There should be something in the tutorial section on this, I think.
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Re: Longrifle barrel keys
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2010, 10:01:32 PM »
I followed Taylor's tutorial a couple of weeks ago and used the steel key to burn the holes to fit.... Worked great... Still took a little filing with a small warding file to even everything up with the lug... the keys are pretty tight right now... They will be retained with pins when I am done.

Oh, I use my little eggbeater brace and a small bit to drill the holes.... I find I do a better job with the hand drill than with the drill press or electric hand drill when using these little bits.
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