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Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« on: January 05, 2011, 10:05:20 PM »
I purchased this rifle  recently. I did not know at the time it was a Sanchez piece, nor did I know much about Lew. I have done some fairly intense research over the past few weeks. I bought the gun sight unseen after reviewing good pictures because it just looked like high quality. I have corresponded with some of his friends, and found the following. Gun was built in 1975 for a private customer for the sum of $3200.00. Rifle was used for Bicentennial celebrations and won quite a few shooting matches in the late 70's. The gun was not used since then, and was recently put up for sale. I was looking for a high quality custom longrifle to hunt with, without waiting a year for the order to be completed. What I got was a beautiful piece of art, to say the least. I would love to hear the thoughts of others here, good or bobucket.com/albums/xx46/joemama7/024.jpg[/IMG]ad, on the gun. 

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Re: Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 03:38:19 AM »
Lew had amazing talent, and though this one looks very traditional, he was capable of working in the best European style.  At the time he was working, he was among a handful of elite artists using the longrifle as their palette.  I had not seen a Schroyer-inspired rifle of his, and this is delightful.
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Re: Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 03:42:30 AM »
It looks like one of Lou's early guns.   He became a much more accomplished gunbuilder later on.   He was a very close firend,
one who would give you a big hug when  we met.    A close firiend of John Bivins, Bob Harn, Jim Chambers, etc.    Developed into a great engraver.  Departed this life way too soon..................Don

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 03:59:23 AM »
Thanks so much for the kind words and the Schroyer connection/inspiration. I knew it must be based on some period maker, I just did not know which one. I am getting a "buzz" of PM's after posting these pics on a few forums today. Most want more details so here goes. Rifle is 45 caliber, barrel is exactly 43 1/4",all brass furniture is hand cast and filed to fit, inletting is about flawless,all brass hardware is pinned, barrel is pinned, thimbles are hand filed hexagonal. All brass is engraved or file banded, and small casting flaws were left in the brass, just like you see in an original gun. I think Sanchez left these small imperfections so that the gun "looked" 1790's.  Even the sights are engraved and scalloped ! As stated previously, I was after a hunting gun, now I'm not sure I want to use it? What is a viable figure to insure this rifle for, as now I really don't have a clue ?

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Re: Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 06:45:51 AM »
I don't see much Shroyer in this gun.  The box is from John Lechner.  The carving behind the cheek has a Bonewitz feel in the stacked up nature of the scrolls and the leaf like feature at the crotch of the scrolls.  Some of the other carving has a York feel to me.  I see the gun as a compelation of ideas, but more than anything it seems to have the flavor of a gun from the town of York.

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Re: Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 08:44:23 AM »
I met Lew Sanchez in the 80's at Friendship. I knew of him from his reputation as an engraver and builder and he liked my stuff, but the real connection was his sense of humor.
We planted one of those realistic fake *^*%$ in Gunmakers Hall for the sole purpose of upsetting Mark Silver. Noboby could decide if it was real and Mark was completely discusted with this sacrilege. Perfect. We were red trying to hold it back. Mark had to find an ash scoop to clean it up without a mess only to find it was fake. Priceless. He introduced me to Lynton Mckenzie (listen to everything he says, other than that pay no attention, he's way to serious). There are very few people I miss more.

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2011, 07:26:31 PM »
Lew was a good friend of mine , we first met in the early 70's and  he was responsible for getting me intersted in Black Power. I would often work in his little shop at his store  on various projects ( Cumberland Gun and Knife ) and later at the shop he had in his backyard. That's one of his very early guns and at that time he often would just make what he liked with various details of different guns. His later work was much more accomplished and on par with the very best, but his real love was engraving, what he really wanted to do is just engrave and carve . He was self taught but John Bivens , a mutual friend influenced him a great deal and later when he became friends with Lynton McKenzie I'm sure he learned a lot. As to the $3200 price in the 70's, at that time guns just didn't bring that kind of money like they do today.
Lew had a wry sense of humor and I could tell you a million  Lew stories that would just make you bust a gut. Lew went way before his time from cancer and is sorely missed.

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Re: Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2011, 08:42:28 PM »
To hear the same things from all of his friends is really nice, he must have been a good soul. I am with you on the original price, seemed high for the time frame, but the guy I got it from told a pretty clear tale about the history of the gun. According to him it was made for a well to do relative of his from North Carolina, and all of the specifics were laid out by the customer. That might explain the Lechner patchbox, which is beautiful, although somewhat odd. Do you guys know if he kept records of what he built ? I would love to see some pics of his later work, though I feel the rifle I bought is gorgeous, I keep hearing he produced much better. Also, will any of you be at the CLA mini show at Country Cupboard in Lewisburg ? Some folks have expressed an interest in this gun, and I will gladly bring it along if anyone wants to see it. One individual has already offered to buy it, but I think for now I will enjoy the gun myself. I would love to hear some of these stories about his sense of humor, etc.  Dig up some pics of his other guns if you have any !

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Re: Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2011, 05:18:25 AM »
I met Lew in the early 70's when we competed against each other in matches around North Carolina. I made the mistake (not really) of asking Lew to critique one of my latest creations one year at the state matches. He said it looked really great! I said that wasn't what I was looking for. About 30 minutes later I knew every mistake, every sanding scratch that hadn't been removed, every slip of the graver and chisel and I felt about 1 foot tall. Then he said that overall it was about top 5% of what he had seen and then followed with the good points. I felt like it was the proper time to partake of some of North Wilkesboro's finest apple brandy and we did so. I did have an opportunity to build some rifle "blanks" for him later because like Jerry said, he just wanted to mostly carve and engrave. Sadly, I didn't take that opportunity and that was one that I'd sure like to have back. Lew was a character and I do miss him.
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Re: Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2011, 06:29:48 AM »
Loco,

You should take her to the woods.  To pass the waiting time you'll have a great rifle to look at.  Is there anything better than that?

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Re: Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2011, 09:47:07 AM »
I'll be at lewisburg. So will many. Love to see it.

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2011, 05:14:37 PM »
Jerry & Bill...........do you remember the "great" accordian music we got from Lew?    I have some other great stories that
will have to wait, some are too long, and some not quite appropriate for this forum............Don

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2011, 07:48:08 PM »
I will bring my Sanchez rifle to the show at Lewisburg, along with the unidentified antique rifle I just got. Is there a procedure for bringing in a gun, or do you just walk in with them? Also, I don't know you guys who were lew's friends, so I need to know where to find you gentlemen.  Thanks

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Re: Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2011, 06:58:01 AM »
I saw Blair at the Greensboro Gun Show this past weekend, and we were discussing the merits of Mr Ivey's new book on North Carolina Longrifles, a 20 year project of research and photography. The book has beautiful color photos of the longrifles, and is available from the Author for $ One Franklin.

Blair then told me about the discussion on your longrifle you recently obtained from my late business partner from 1972 to 1982, Lewis Blades Sanchez.

Its getting late, so I'll post tomorrow at length about Lew, but not to come in conflict with your rifle's background, its highly unlikely that the rifle was $ 3,200.00. I would suggest that price of the gun in 1975 was more likely $350 to $400. I will look for my accounting ledgers, since I handled the bookkeeping for the store.

As we say on the Randall Knife Society Forum, "Buy the Knife, Not the Story.

I'm glad to "see" some of my longtime friends here, some of whom I haven't seen in over a decade at Friendship or Fort Frederick.

So, Salute' to Don Getz, & Jerry Fisher.

Talk at ya, tomorrow.

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Re: Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2011, 07:27:10 AM »
Looking forward to hearing more, and yes, as we discussed earlier, the $3200 story seems far fetched, but the seller was passionate about his story, so I did not interject doubt. ( plus the gun was not in my hands yet, so I figured why chance changing his mind) Ironically, when Bill Shipman examined it last weekend I asked him for an insurance value, his reply was not less than $3000.  Bill was able to show me certain things on the gun that Lew had not quite mastered yet, the lock mortise is a little deep, and the buttplate just a hint downhill. This was 1975, so from what I am told he had not reached his peak as an artisan yet, though the gun is exquisite. Actually Bill is quite amazing in his observation, as he pointed out that the barrel is an odd length because back then they had to shorten them a bit because the rifling was buggered the first inch or so due to the machinery of the times. The proof lies in the WOW factor, when I uncased the rifle at the show there was plenty of rubber-necking, which I will admit puts a grin on me! I would be much interested to know if you still have Lew's production records.   

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Re: Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2011, 09:02:47 PM »
I don't mean to belabor the point about your rifle's original cost. I am curious about the previous owner. Was his last name Larow? I appraised a collection of longrifles a year ago, belonging to two brothers, last name Larow, that originally belong to their father, who was killed in a motorcycle crash in the '80's. In the collection, were two or three early rifles of Lew's, and a couple of rifles made by a "student" of Lew's, stationed at Fort Bragg, NC, CPT Brad Randall, who now lives in Atlanta, GA area.

Do you have the 1977 Gun Digest Edition, displaying the crossed longrifles? The rifle on the left was executed by Monte Mandarino, who was in his mid-twenties, working under John Bivins in ’76, and the rifle on the right was done by John Bivins for his close friend, Lewis B. Sanchez.

Lew’s rifle made by John Bivins would have probably cost another customer between $1,500 to possibly $2,000 in 1976.

My rifle made by John Bivins, his first left-hand rifle, is of the same pattern as pictured but not as much coverage in carving and inlay, cost me in 1977, $900.00. Perhaps my partnership with Lew “affected” the price, but I believe anyone else would have been quoted no more than $1000.

I am at a loss on how to post photos on this forum, and maximum file size per photo. Have looked all over the forum, FAQ, etc. Perhaps, since you have posted photos, you could point me in the right direction. I have the 1977 Gun Digest Cover ready to post.
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Re: Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2011, 12:33:38 AM »
I too could not do pictures until someone here gave me a "pics for dummies" lesson.  If I did it you can too. First, go to Photobucket.com and set up a free account. Then you must "upload" your pics you want to share to your photobucket account. I plug my digital camera into the computers USB port and save the photos in "My Pictures", then upload them to photobucket. Then say you want to add one to the text of this post, you"hover" over the pic you want, simply moving the mouse over it. A drop window comes up with four options," copy" being the last one on the bottom. Click on copy and then you have captured the photo. Go back to your post and underneath the text right click the mouse. Click on the "paste" option, and now your photo will appear under your message. It sounds daunting, but in just a few tries it becomes second nature. I'm sure there are other ways, but that one works for me every time. I bought my Sanchez gun from a gentlemen who said he got it from the original owner, but I did not get the sellers name.  As I said with this initial post, I had no idea I was buying a high quality gun, and the seller had no idea he was selling one. The seller was not savvy to muzzleloaders, quite honestly I think he needed the cash. The pictures of my gun don't really showcase the wood like if you see it in person, it is just breathtaking striped maple. Maybe you actually saw this beauty is progress, who knows.

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Re: Contemporary rifle by Lew Sanchez
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2011, 05:54:31 AM »
Buck, I think this is the pic