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burch

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restoring
« on: January 16, 2009, 12:08:18 AM »
I remember a company I found on the web that restored T/C and Lyman GPR`s Can anyone tell me who this was ?  They did a fantastic job.

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Re: restoring
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2009, 04:18:38 AM »
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I remember a company I found on the web that restored T/C and Lyman GPR`s Can anyone tell me who this was ?


Yeah, it was me.  Why....do you want to spend $600 + parts to restore a $300 gun?
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2009, 05:19:33 AM »
Didn`t know it was that expensive. How do they justify the cost. I`d rather just shoot it or maybe refinish it myself.

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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2009, 06:39:17 AM »
Didn`t know it was that expensive. How do they justify the cost. I`d rather just shoot it or maybe refinish it myself.

        Burch

Burch,

The cost of such a service is based on the amount of work involved and has nothing to do with the original value of the rifle. You might be able to find someone who just likes to piddle around with guns that would do it a lot cheaper, but remember, you usually get what you pay for.

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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2009, 02:02:53 PM »
T/C and GPR'S are a dime a dozen and not worth to much IMHO. The money that is spent on restoring one could be better spent on a custom rifle, a kit for a rifle or a new T/C or GPR. granted, there nice shooters but not worth the money to restore. Maybe a winter project for the DIYer.

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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2009, 03:00:40 PM »
The only reason I even considered restoring is strickly looks only. This is an old rifle and shoots great. I still hunt and paper punch with it. It`s a very reliable rifle and i`ve taken good care of it. Who ever had it before me took good care of it too just not as well as I would have. The bore is in great condition and it has no rust. I had to clean a little rust out of the bore when I got it but no harm done, it`s bright and no pitting. I wouldn`t want a new one, i`d rather keep this one. I may just call it a summer project and refinish it myself. I`ve already added some inletting pieces a while back on it. Nothing fancy just kinda personalized it a bit.

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Re: restoring
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2009, 08:02:25 PM »
Didn`t know it was that expensive. How do they justify the cost. I`d rather just shoot it or maybe refinish it myself.

        Burch

Put your car in a repair shop for a day or two and see what it costs for labor.
Most of these guys are just parts changers.
I never cease to wonder how people want gun work done for 1/2 of minimum wage. People that do gun work need to eat too you know.

Most factory guns are throw aways. Not worth fixing in most cases.

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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2009, 08:23:57 PM »
If it works so well, why restore it? Just keep it clean, lubed & waxed.

There is another muzzleloading forum out there that seams to cater to GPR, TC, CVA, Traditions, & other factory gun shooters, more than this one.

Don't be offended...we all started out that way, but the hope here is that you will want to graduate to a custom built and learn to DIY! See the thread about becoming an ADDICT! If you do, there is a great support group here!
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2009, 09:31:46 PM »
I can`t afford a custom built rifle and if it`s just a case of who can have the most expensive toys compaired to who can`t maybe I should just find another forum. I do find your reply a bit offensive Sir. As far as being addicted to this sport i`ll bet a dollar i`ve been around blackpowder/modern firearms,  rifles and pistols as long or probably longer than most have. I also know what it cost for gunsmiths as i`ve done quite a lot of that too and have had a lot work done on my guns. Is it all about who has what or is all about getting together with friends and family that enjoy having a good time together. My comment only meant that I see no use in restoring a factory rifle so please keep all snooty comments out of my post please, i`m hear to learn about this stuff and enjoy the finer people that love to do this.

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Re: restoring
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2009, 12:36:56 AM »
Burch, I think the concensus is you would be better off, in our humble opinions, to save your restoration dollars up for quality parts and we will guide you in making your own rifle. That's our thing...it happens every day on this sight! Shoot! I couldn't afford a custom ML rifle when I started either....that is exactly why I had to build my own! I started with a cheap ($69, really!) factory kit rifle, that literally wore out and fell apart in a short time! The first longrifle I built from a blank was kinda ugly, but it worked well for many years, thanks to a local ML parts supplier who showed me how to put it together right. That was long before the internet!
My enjoyment of the sport went up 1000 times with my own creation!
Yours will too! Even with a very plane rifle (we call em "barn guns").
Stick around, don't quit on us!
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Re: restoring
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2009, 02:48:02 AM »
Burch, don't take offense please.  You'll find good straight talk here that is deesigned to be helpful.  Anyone suggesting another forum was most likely giving you another resource to check out.  Knowing these guys I'd take it that way.  Course they take some getting to know! :D

I remember the days when I would not have been able to afford a good used TC or Lyman Plains rifle and I drooled all over such as was available back then.
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2009, 04:52:59 AM »
Another option would be to convert it to a full stock.  Track, Pecatonica and a couple of others offer  a precarved full stock, and half stocks in maple for the TC.  It's a matter of refitting the parts, and finishing the wood, after you remove the fat from it.  They're carved slightly oversize, to allow for customization/carving.  This would allow you to end up with a custom TC.

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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2009, 05:25:21 PM »
Burch, Where are you located??? If you are near me (S.Illinois) I would be glad to help you go through the process of refinishing that rifle. I did a lot of them back in the 70's and 80's. It would be a great experience for you. After we (you) get it done we can start on your custom build....Ed
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2009, 05:28:57 PM »
Burch, Where are you located??? If you are near me (S.Illinois) I would be glad to help you go through the process of refinishing that rifle. I did a lot of them back in the 70's and 80's. It would be a great experience for you. After we (you) get it done we can start on your custom build....Ed

 Thanks Ed for your kind offer but I live in Florida.

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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2009, 05:43:03 PM »
Gentlemen,
    I thank everyone of you for any help your offering. Maybe one day when I get extra funds in the kitty i`ll buy a part at a time and would be glad to ask for your help selecting the right stuff but for now i`ll have to stick with what I have and go with a refinishing option on the GPR. Can you tell me what are some of the better products for doing this and some of the traditional methods.

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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2009, 11:13:37 PM »
Strip the wood with normal paint stripper and finish the job by rubbing the stripper off with steel wool.  Then wash it down real good with mineral spirits- standard Home Depot or Lowes products.  After sanding very lightly with wet or dry sandpaper down to 320 grit, you can stain it with laurel mountain forge products and finish it with Chambers finishing oil, Tru-Oil or tung oil finish from Home Depot.

If you want to blue or brown the steel, you'll have to remove the old finish.  Naval jelly will work but leaves the steel a little pitted.  Then you have to decide if you want to brown it or blue it.  When you get to that stage, let us know and we can offer some tips on finishing the steel.

Funny thing about refinishing is that many folks now go to great lengths to simulate aging and wear, and you've already got good honest wear and aging.
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2009, 05:43:03 AM »
Hey, wasn't it D. Taylor S. that built a really nice GPR for someone and had some good picture on the forum.  Lot of good ideas if you can find the pics.  Turned out real nice............................Lynn
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2009, 09:01:10 AM »
Burch, Ya coulda asked me to come to Florida and refinish if for ya, it was 0 degrees here the other night!!!!!!!! Are you near the beach????,(I hope)...Ed
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2009, 10:25:51 PM »
burch

I'm pretty sure the website you were thinking of was Restoration Firearms

http://www.restorationfirearms.com/

but I would consider refinishing it yourself.  I've refinished a GPR myself and it was actually a great learning experience without alot of expense.  Good luck with your project.

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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2009, 10:59:40 PM »
I can`t afford a custom built rifle and if it`s just a case of who can have the most expensive toys compaired to who can`t maybe I should just find another forum. I do find your reply a bit offensive Sir. As far as being addicted to this sport i`ll bet a dollar i`ve been around blackpowder/modern firearms,  rifles and pistols as long or probably longer than most have. I also know what it cost for gunsmiths as i`ve done quite a lot of that too and have had a lot work done on my guns. Is it all about who has what or is all about getting together with friends and family that enjoy having a good time together. My comment only meant that I see no use in restoring a factory rifle so please keep all snooty comments out of my post please, i`m hear to learn about this stuff and enjoy the finer people that love to do this.

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We are trying to point out that its not cost effective to have someone professionally restore a gun that will worth little more than they cost new not matter what. People in a perhaps contorted way were trying to save you money.
When you ask "how do they justify the expense" do you mean the restorer or the owner? It can be read 2 ways.
I get irritated since average ML people are NOTORIOUS for wanting work done for nothing. A good gunsmith should get 50 bucks an hour for shop time.  But people want a weeks work for 50 bucks.
People I know used to do FANTASTIC work but got paid workmans wages for high quality carving and engraving on beautifully shaped and styled rifles.
So try looking at it from someone else's point of view. I could care less if you have and shoot a TC or a GPR, go for it. But restoring something of this sort is a waste of YOUR money.
Yes good guns are expensive. But they DON'T depreciate. Unless abused they go up in value so the cost long term is not so horrid as everyone thinks.

 Guns that went for 900-1000 or less in the 1970s now can bring 5000 or more.  People who bought TCs and such at the same time lost money.

I am lucky I can make guns I can't afford to buy.

If you want the wood refinished buy some Chambers oil and wet sand with it using 400 grit wet or dry. Cut the oil with pure turpentine. Unless its got thick plastic or Tru-Oil on it this will remove the old finish and create new all at once. I have only stripped one firearm in my life and it was a modern SS with a thick coat of plastic on it.
I would leave the metal alone or polish it and have the steel blued at some gunshop that does bluing if you do not want to do it your self. If you do ask here you will get good answers on all sorts of finishes that you can do at home.

I would also point out that some of us having been in the game for a long time get our backs up when we see "TC" anything. Its baggage from the distant past now but I have enough Scot in me to have a long memory.

Finally it is very easy to sound snooty or be misinterpreted in type when saying the same thing in person would be a simple statement of fact. Has to do with the printed word vs spoken language.

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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2009, 11:03:33 PM »
no offense meant --and I am not trying to be a smart a**, but some folks go out of their way to make NEW rifles look worn and used--much like I suspect yours looks!  I always thought good honest wear on a well-kept up rifle looked better than a new finish...plus the scratches and dings remind me of good times out shooting or hunting.  But I know where youa re coming from.  Hang in there and don't let us prima donnas scare you off this excellent site. 

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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2009, 07:26:22 PM »
burch - if it is a TC - they may exchange parts free of charge - such is their warrantee. Worn out parts fit in their warrantee department. As to a lock doe instance - if worn, sloppy, broken parts inside, etc, they'll give you a new one.  Had one with a hamer on a Seneca lock with a broken out 'cup' and a tumbler with the full-cock notch broken + missing some other parts - they merely sent a new one.

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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2009, 08:40:23 PM »
I think we chased the guy off.
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