Mr Flintlock Lube or Hoppes Number 9 Plus

[drago]

Just wanted some opinions on which you prefer if you have tried both. Why you think one works best or just suits your needs. I have been thinking of trying one and would appreciate your input as I have heard only good things about both. Thanks.

[George Sutton]

Of course I have a biased opinion. Can you use Hoppes as a patch lube???
 

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[drago]

 I have heard of it used as a patch lube and for cleaning. Some say you can shoot 50 shots without wiping. I just was'nt sure of what type of accuracy they are getting. Can you ship case quantities? Always looking for ways to keep costs down.

[WaterFowl]

32 cal. flint 50 yards rested..Hoppe's lube.....5 shots wiped
have 5-6 other rifles it shoots well in..

Tried Mr flintlock..it shot true center 4" low..... same load and distance..
just more slick..not enough barrel time to build velocity.
will need to increase powder some.

Need more load testing before I make a call on Mr Flintlock.

[drago]

That's nice shooting at 50 yards with a 32. How does it clean up after a day at the range?

[WaterFowl]

I'm shooting Goex 3f and swabbing...the 32  shoots best this way......
I toothpick the touchhole and soak the bore while I gather gear at the end of a shoot.
barrel is 98% clean before I get home to clean it.
I soak the breech plug face with hoppe's during the drive home.
This is accomplished with a soaked patch against it.
while cleaning...rinse-flush bore with water..half dozen patches and its good.

I shoot year round..central Wisconsin weather.
Trick is to pick a range where the wind is a smaller shooting and comfort factor.
Have a couple I shoot at.
Keep a lube bottle inside outerwear below 23 deg. below that it freezes.
While winter hunting keep a couple of pre lubed patches inside warm pocket.
Just found liquid lubes easier to keep a consistent bore condition.
Did mink oil,deer tallow-bear grease,moose snot,Murphy's oil soap mix...etc.
found the thicker the lube the quicker bore condition broke down.
for extended shooting.. liquid lubes just work best for me.
As a rule in "my rifles"... say 54 cal. and up swabbing is not necessary for extending shooting sessions using hoppe's lube.
Have learned the joy of shooting the 32-36-40 cal. rb's.Love the crack of a small caliber flint rifle.
I shoot against myself mostly..cause everyone else has gone" soft" during the winter.
Best part is the ranges are vacant...Go Figure.!

Try them both..You'd have a good excuse to go shoot.

Remember "your rifles" have a whole different set of parameters.

[hanshi]

For all shooting at the range and much shooting in the hunting woods, Hoppes #9 Plus BP lube is what I rely on.  I find I can take my .32 or .36 to the range and fire forty to fifty shots without swabbing and with accuracy unaffected.  Seating the 50th prb is just as easy as seating the second.  Hoppes, along with a snug prb (not tight), just snug keeps fouling down to just one shot's worth.  Hunting has the first prb lubed with Natural Lube 1000 so that in case no shot is fired the rifle can be stored uncleaned until later.

[smokinbuck]

Hanshi,
Where did you find the Hoppes in a can and how much is in it. Around here I'm lucky to find the 8 oz bottles and they are $6?
Mark

[C Wallingford]

Hanshi,
Where did you find the Hoppes in a can and how much is in it. Around here I'm lucky to find the 8 oz bottles and they are $6?
Mark

All of the containers (8 oz) that I have seen recently do not have the "PLUS" below the 9

[drago]

If it does'nt have the plus it's not for black powder. To bad cause there's tons of that everywhere.

[smokinbuck]

Charlie,
He's right about the plus and the lack of it. The 8 oz bottles I have found are the "plus".
Mark

[WaterFowl]

In the past have ordered both lubes direct from the manufacture...

[drago]

Did you prefer one over the other and why? Cost is less on the Hoppes 9 Plus but only if it works better.

[Daryl]

Hoppe's # 9 PLUS has worked for me, for many years as a target shooting lube.  It's formulation has changed since 1974 when I first tried it, but it still works well as a patch lube.  Like LHValley lube, it required more powder than a water based lube (spit, or WWWF+oil), to shoot well.

Hoppe's # 9 is a rather 'old hat' smokeless powder lube and a poor one at that - there are much  better smokeless lubes now-a-days. The stuff Hoppe's sends up here to Canada, no longer has Benzedrine in it.  Benzedrine is a known carcinogen. Benzedrine was what made Hoppe's #9 a decent powder and copper solvent. With Benzedrine's removal, Hoppe's #9 became merely a good or decent gun oil.

Hoppe's #9 PLUS does not have Benzedrine in it.

[hanshi]

Hanshi,
Where did you find the Hoppes in a can and how much is in it. Around here I'm lucky to find the 8 oz bottles and they are $6?
Mark

I've been asked that question more than once, smokinbuck.  Unfortunately, I can't recall from whom but I did order it online.  It could have been direct from Hoppes but I can't be sure.  The price was around $40-$45.

[smokinbuck]

I was at the shop that usually has Hoppes #9 Plus. What they had was Hoppes #9 labeled "BLACK POWDER SOLVENT & PATCH LUBE". I wonder if they just changed the label.
Mark

[frontier gander]

i tried that hoppes stuff years ago, horrible results, I remember I ha to use a long rod and a mallet to help the ball down on a dirty shot. Moose milk or mr flintlocks patch lube work much better for me.

mr flintlocks lube at 50 yards with a 50cal cva hawken and 70gr goex 2f.

[Don Getz]

How many of you guys were shooting back in the late 70's, early 80's, when a new patch lube came on the market.  I think
it was bought out by Ox-Yoke, they called it wonder lube.   This is just a quiz to find out what the old shooters remember.....
........Don

[drago]

Was it a paste in a plastic orange container? I remember the 70's any how.

[d-a]

How many of you guys were shooting back in the late 70's, early 80's, when a new patch lube came on the market.  I think
it was bought out by Ox-Yoke, they called it wonder lube.   This is just a quiz to find out what the old shooters remember.....
........Don

I don't remember it. Of course I'm a product of the seventies.

On another note. I wish there was a way to spend a week with each person on here just to pick there brains. I'm sure there's numerous members that have forgotten more about this sport than I will ever know. 

d-a

[Cobweb]

How many of you guys were shooting back in the late 70's, early 80's, when a new patch lube came on the market.  I think
it was bought out by Ox-Yoke, they called it wonder lube.   This is just a quiz to find out what the old shooters remember.....
........Don

I won a can of Wonder Lube and tried it in a .40 cal. Tennessee rifle I was shooting at the time. Followed all the instructions printed on the can and give it a whirl.
Before I was using spit patch at 60yrds, I could keep them inside 1" circle shooting bench at Charlie's Old Farm Shoot.
Wonder Lube patches wouldn't keep them in a 5" circle!
I gave the stuff to a fellow competitor who said he liked it!!

[Smoketown]

Wow!

I'll have to dig out my old plastic jar but, didn't T/C Maxi-Lube say that you could also use it as a patch lube?

It's also early 70's vintage ... Beautiful brown color too!   

I stored three lubed Maxi-Balls in Polaroid fixer swab tubes.

Which by now, could be considered as,  "period correct"!   

Cheers,
Smoketown

[Don Getz]

The first stuff I saw was made by "Young Country Arms" or something like that, I know it had the name of Young in it.  I could get as much as 30 shots without cleaning, also used it for hunting since it did not get hard when it was cold.  However, I did
not use it for target shooting.  Many of us were trying to figue out what the ingredients were in it.  Closest thing we could
determine was that it was close to "chapstick"..........Don

[Standing Bear]

i tried that hoppes stuff years ago, horrible results, I remember I ha to use a long rod and a mallet to help the ball down on a dirty shot. Moose milk or mr flintlocks patch lube work much better for me.

Gander, I suspect your experience was with Hoppes #9 instead of #9+.  Also believe the change from 9+ to Black Powder Lube and Cleaner was because others have confused them  Both modern shooters using 9+ and BP shooters using plain #9.

I have found 9+ to be a very good lube for targets but have not tried it for hunting as I believe it will dry too quickly.  Still working on a quart of 9+ so have not tried the newly labeled BP stuff.  After seeing your results w/ Mr Flintlock, I am looking forward to trying that product.

Sight Picture, Trigger Control and Follow Through
TC

[hanshi]

I was at the shop that usually has Hoppes #9 Plus. What they had was Hoppes #9 labeled "BLACK POWDER SOLVENT & PATCH LUBE". I wonder if they just changed the label.
Mark

Same stuff and it can't be beat.