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Leon

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Thoughts on my first build
« on: February 13, 2009, 01:28:39 AM »
Right now I'm in the process of browning my barrel. When thats done my TOW Bivins Lancaster will be ready to fully assemble. I'm both elated and sad to finally be ready to shoot this rifle. Elated its about done and sad that I made so many mistakes. I feel that I learned a lot about myself and building rifles. I have a hankering for a .32 cal. rifle and was wondering if you guys think it would be wise if I tackle the same kit in A weight. I would like to try and redeem myself and gain some success at this hobby. If I screw another one up I might have to rethink pursuing this hobby any further. Leon     

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 01:45:52 AM »
Leon, first off you're an amateur, that means you are building for the love of it, no matter how frustrating.  Your skill will not be measured on the mistakes made, but on how well you can hide them.  Even the best have awe sh@ts that they would like to forget.  Don't give up just yet.  I would recommend a southern mountain in .32, much simpler rifle, with a better chance of success.  Check out Stonewall Creek Outfitters.  Troy has some pretty reasonable parts sets.  That's my two pense.

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2009, 01:54:01 AM »
Every rifle is a learning experience! Number 2 or number 52.... you will always be learning how to do something better or faster of just different. Stick with it! 

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2009, 03:34:26 AM »
Leon,

You might consider making one of Dennis Glazeners North Carolina Gillespie rifles.  Dennis is a member here.


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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2009, 04:51:19 AM »
What is a north Carolina rifle like. I do not like the crescent shaped butt stocks on Tennesee or southern rifles. The different schools of the Penn. rifles fit me the best. I plan on getting into hunting again after a 15 year hiatus and plan on making a fowler after the small game rifle. If after a couple more builds I feel confident enough I  plan on tackling an Edward Marshall in either .58 or .62 cal.   Thank you for the replies. Leon       

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2009, 07:02:00 AM »
"Rules are for the obedience of fools and guidance of wise men"

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2009, 04:17:20 PM »
Your second gun will be much better than the first because of the learning curve. You don't realize how many things you have learned NOT to do at this stage. I would tend to disagree with the idea that you learn how to hide your mistakes; in reality you learn how to recover from the mistakes without too much damage. For instance, you learn that a Q-tip handle will fill a misdrilled 1/16" hole. Some mistakes you can live with, some you cannot, such as inadequate sear engagement or improperly seated breech plug. Most cosmetic errors can be headed off by exercising patience. When you complete a task, take a break, sit down with your rifle and just hold it in your hands and take a good look at it. Turn it around from different angles and any little humps, bumps, hollows, tool marks, etc, circle with a pencil. As a builder we tend to see the completed gun as the sum of the parts and notice every small detail. Others seem the gun as a whole and never even notice the small things. Every gun you build will be better and you will start to see errors that you had overlooked previously. You can sell off guns that no longer please you and other owners will be perfectly content with them, but never, ever sell your first build. No matter what it may look like to you, it will still always be your first, and nothing will ever change that.

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2009, 06:23:56 PM »
Even if I wanted to sell this rifle when I'm finished with it I could never get what I have into it. But that was never in the cards. I built this rifle to be my primitive season hunting rifle, that's what it will be. What I have learned from the very beginning is to be more particular in my dealings with suppliers. My stock as it came from TOW had the barrel channel cut in slightly canted to the lock side. It wasn't my doing because the wood to metal fit was tight on both sides when finished. On another site a poster said not to worry about it because it would serve as a bit of cast off. A little bit of cant on the barrel turns into a lot at the bottom of the lock plate! Stainable glue looks like $#@* when its stained. Some wood that has inletting black on it shouldn't be removed. Plus when the stock has been finished the pin holes need to be chased out with the drill not an allen wrench. some things I did were quite good like the flutes that I cut in on the fore stock along the ramrod channel. Some of the carving I did looks quite good some not so good. I know the next one will look better which is why I'm leaning toward the same kit in A weight as sort of a vindication of the first. Didn't mean to make this post so long winded thank you for the interest. Leon   

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2009, 07:00:28 PM »
Leon,
     I am right in the middle of my first build. So far so good. I have done other gunsmith work but this is my first serious venture into flintlocks. I have a kit (bunch of parts) from Tip Curtis. The stock has enough inletting done to show where everything goes but enough work left to make me sweat when I pick up a Chisel. I am not as fortunate as some lucky bast*#ds, that I can't get to the Log Cabin for weekend seminars. It would be 8 hours each way.  So I learn as I go. I did pick up a couple fo DVD's with Hershal House. I found them quite helpful.
   One thing I have learned about projects like this. when things are going REAL GOOD. Stop. Open a beer. I'm done for the day. Time to enjoy my successful accomplishments.
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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2009, 07:13:30 PM »
I hid my first one in the attic.  Only way to find her now would be with a bloodhound to follow the blood stains!!! ;D

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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2009, 07:17:17 PM »
To other misguided persons who are possesed and have decided to try this.
I find the DVD's a huge help and can be reviewed a million times. I find it helps to see what something is suppose to look like, rather then exploring with a file and chisel. hoping you will discover what it is suppose to look like. They are really dirt cheap in the whole scheme of things and when you get so good that you don't need them anymore or when you come to your senses, you can always sell them to some other person that has become possesed by the blackpowder flintlock devil.

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2009, 07:44:58 PM »
I hid my first one in the attic.  Only way to find her now would be with a bloodhound to follow the blood stains!!! ;D
I came up with an allegory that a lot of women find offensive. This rifle will be like the girl that gets groped under the bleachers at school and then ignored in the hall way between classes. Leon

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2009, 08:49:36 PM »
Leon
I'll give you my simple gunbulding philosophy for what it's worth.While other builders can set levels of skill to strive for, don't be in compitition with any builders but yourself .Try to make every gun better than your last and most of all enjoy the journey!!Works for me!!

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2009, 05:05:42 PM »
leon,i have never used the videos,but i have quite a few books and the kra dvd,s of originals....and i got to learn somethings from two of the best in the business....every sunday morning i get together with a couple guys and build....find somebody close to you that does this for a hobby and try to make time to build together..and remember.....its not always where we end up but the journey it took to get there......

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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2009, 06:16:06 PM »
I'll second what Lew said, find some other builders.  I meet with a half dozen guys every Wednesday evening.  We have a blast, have become very good friends and I've learned a TON!  Was introduced to them at a local muzzleloading club shoot I covered for my newspaper column, probably never would have kept shooting just for the heck of it, but the building really got to me.  Nothing like seeing it in person and having a bunch of different techniques, opinions and levels of expertise on hand.
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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2009, 11:52:14 PM »
I have been feeling a similar frustration because I have had a lay off in building for a few years do to burn out.  First off kit guns tend to compound mistakes.  you have yours compounded with those in the kit.  I have not used a precarved in many builds.  Do your 32 but think about using a blank.  Start with a cheap blank of plain maple, Southern mountain style maybe no buttplate or entry thimble.  Start early in getting your tools together to do this.  A ramrod drill can be made out of a piece of round stock with a spade bit filed and hammered to make a drill bit, etc.  You can always recycle later.  Ask a lot of questions on this site about how to layout and what to do.  The guns built out of blanks give a lot of satisfaction.

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2009, 03:10:26 AM »
I just took my first build to the range today forits first time making smoke.  Had a great time with the first build, learned LOTS, including how to hide mistakes, and I am really looking foward to my next build.

My barrel should be in at the end of the month and I have been researching what I want to do during this second build.

It was my first, made many mistakes along the way, but recovered and had FUN doing it.

That's all anyone could ask for.

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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2009, 03:48:55 AM »
Finding other builders is very important.  I had tutors when I started and listened and learned.  A couple of my first ones were so bad I threw away the stocks later and reused the components. These were some unusual precarved sold at the time.  One of the things about some of the "mistakes" .  Many new builders are conscious enough of them to point them out when talking about the gun. Most people looking at the gun may not be aware of all of them, so I let them find them if they want to point them out.  I build for enjoyment and personal satisfaction.  when I built for others I lost some of that.  Some call it an expensive hobby, but compared to the local reservation casinos I see people losing their money at, I get by pretty cheap.   At least I have something to show for it.   Tall Bears correct, build for yourself.  I can name builders on this forum that can carve and engrave and create works of art doing so.  I am about as happy with a well made Shimmel as with a more elaborate rifle.  If they have the same lock and barrel they shoot the same.  You may want to get into the artistic levels and thats great and I hope you enjoy.

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2009, 06:08:05 AM »
Leon, when I first came to this sight, I was told this hobby is as much about the journey as it is the destination. If you enjoy building guns, keep right on doing it regardless how good you think you are, you may end up surprising yourself. If you concentrate on improving just one aspect of your build with each gun, then within a few builds you could be quite respectable at it. Now post some pictures of your work, I am quite sure you will get some very expert advice on how to improve upon it.
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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2009, 06:48:32 AM »
I have to thank you gentlemen for all the words of encouragement! Since my last post on this thread I have installed my vent liner dead center to the pan, perhaps a little high but I'm not worried about it. The barrel is browned breech plug reinstalled. Next thing to do is trim the pins and put it all together and shoot it!!! Chambers deluxe,  Rice barrel, Davis triggers I'll bet it shoots good. I have a lb. of 2f and a pound of 3f 150 .570 balls and a bolt of pillow ticking, a tin of TOW mink oil. I have a 5/8ths thick steel target on a stand that I made years ago, it will be interesting to see what the dents look like. Leon     

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2009, 06:52:13 AM »
Leon, when I first came to this sight, I was told this hobby is as much about the journey as it is the destination. If you enjoy building guns, keep right on doing it regardless how good you think you are, you may end up surprising yourself. If you concentrate on improving just one aspect of your build with each gun, then within a few builds you could be quite respectable at it. Now post some pictures of your work, I am quite sure you will get some very expert advice on how to improve upon it.
Post pictures you must think I'm computer literate or something like that ;D I still use my old Pentax 35mm. Leon

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2009, 06:39:26 PM »
I have to thank you gentlemen for all the words of encouragement! Since my last post on this thread I have installed my vent liner dead center to the pan, perhaps a little high but I'm not worried about it. The barrel is browned breech plug reinstalled. Next thing to do is trim the pins and put it all together and shoot it!!! Chambers deluxe,  Rice barrel, Davis triggers I'll bet it shoots good. I have a lb. of 2f and a pound of 3f 150 .570 balls and a bolt of pillow ticking, a tin of TOW mink oil. I have a 5/8ths thick steel target on a stand that I made years ago, it will be interesting to see what the dents look like. Leon     
One thing you forgot is spit - I'm fairly certain you have it.  It is cheap and handy and it works.  ('cept in the bitter cold then bear grease/oil) ;D

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Re: Thoughts on my first build
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2009, 02:41:35 AM »
I have to thank you gentlemen for all the words of encouragement! Since my last post on this thread I have installed my vent liner dead center to the pan, perhaps a little high but I'm not worried about it. The barrel is browned breech plug reinstalled. Next thing to do is trim the pins and put it all together and shoot it!!! Chambers deluxe,  Rice barrel, Davis triggers I'll bet it shoots good. I have a lb. of 2f and a pound of 3f 150 .570 balls and a bolt of pillow ticking, a tin of TOW mink oil. I have a 5/8ths thick steel target on a stand that I made years ago, it will be interesting to see what the dents look like. Leon     
One thing you forgot is spit - I'm fairly certain you have it.  It is cheap and handy and it works.  ('cept in the bitter cold then bear grease/oil) ;D
I don't know were I can get bear grease, but I live next to the Fond du Lac reservation and there a member of the band who's name is Clem Beargrease, maybe he'd spit on my patches. Leon