Author Topic: A Horn For Dennis Glazener (Read 10144 times)

Tim Crosby · « **on:** March 13, 2009, 12:45:27 AM »

Here is a horn I made for Dennis, he had a picture of an old horn that was with a Gillespie rifle. It was missing a band and it's tip so I took a guess as to what the tip may have looked like. It is not an exact copy more of a representation of the original.

Tim C.

Larry Luck · « **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2009, 01:25:23 AM »

Tim,

That is one nice horn. Great job. I really like the bands.

Maybe Dennis will set it down for a minute at the Williamsburg Show......and it was gone!

Larry

G. Elsenbeck · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2009, 02:54:00 AM »

Great job Tim. We don't hear Dennis complain' so he must like her.

And I like the color.
Gary

David Rase · « **Reply #3 on:** March 13, 2009, 03:50:52 AM »

Tim, Nice job! I like it, and I am not really a brass tack kind of guy but they look good on your horn.
DMR

Dennis Glazener · « **Reply #4 on:** March 13, 2009, 08:06:55 PM »

I love the horn that Tim did and even though it has pretty crude "chicken" scratching on the original, I had him put the same on the copy. Turned out great. Below are photos of the original.

I suspect that the horn was made at Old Salem, one of my Glazener cousins owns the Gillespie rifle that the horn was with. He lives in the Winston Salem area and it is my understanding the horn/rifle was passed down through his family which have always lived close to that area.

I originally thought the tacks had been added but Michael Briggs book on NC horns shows several central NC horns that have similiar treatment.

Tim did a great job of making a copy of the horn.
Dennis

G. Elsenbeck · « **Reply #5 on:** March 13, 2009, 08:11:42 PM »

I think its great to see old horns and Tim, you did good! Thanks for sharing the photo Dennis.
Gary

LynnC · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2009, 04:21:06 AM »

A fine looking horn it is!
I've got to ask as I've no Idea - How are the rings fastened to the horn?
Thanks........................Lynn

G. Elsenbeck · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2009, 08:21:21 PM »

This question for either Tim or Dennis. Looking at the original horn it certainly appears that one band came off. Was there any evidence that it was pegged or nailed on? And, if so, was there a subsequent repair to fill the hole? If not, then this certainly helps explain why many are pegged using either wood or brads. Just a curious mind needing something else to store in an otherwise cluttered brain.

Gary

Cory Joe Stewart · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2009, 08:26:50 PM »

That is awesome, great pics of the original as well.

Coryjoe

Dennis Glazener · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2009, 08:44:10 PM »

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This question for either Tim or Dennis. Looking at the original horn it certainly appears that one band came off. Was there any evidence that it was pegged or nailed on? And, if so, was there a subsequent repair to fill the hole? If not, then this certainly helps explain why many are pegged using either wood or brads. Just a curious mind needing something else to store in an otherwise cluttered brain. Grin
Gary

Yes one band came off but I do not know if it was nailed/pegged or not. I had never met this cousin nor had I seen the horn. He came to a Heritage Day event where I had a Gillespie display. There were so many people there that I did not get to spend much time looking at the horn. A friend took the photos for me.

I just noticed something that I do not understand. I had these photos on my website for use earlier. I am not sure where or when I got the first photo but if you look at it all bands are there! Also if you look close you will notice that even though the engraving is the same its reversed from the bottom photos which were taken at the Heritage Day event. Its driving me crazy! I can not figure it out I assume its the same horn but it sure does not look like it! The only thing that makes sense is that someone flipped the negative and maybe I had the photo sent to me before the band came off!!!!!

Dennis

G. Elsenbeck · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2009, 08:50:37 PM »

I think a forensic investigation may be the order of the day.

Randy Hedden · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2009, 09:18:35 PM »

Dennis,

The top photo in your post is not the same horn as in the other photos. Not only is it not the same horn, but it appears to be much newer like it might be a copy of the original. Maybe this cousin of yours had a copy made to display with the original rifle??

Randy Hedden

G. Elsenbeck · « **Reply #12 on:** March 15, 2009, 09:32:02 PM »

Shoot, I thought that was the one Tim did. My eyes must be going.

Dennis Glazener · « **Reply #13 on:** March 15, 2009, 09:55:14 PM »

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Dennis,

The top photo in your post is not the same horn as in the other photos. Not only is it not the same horn, but it appears to be much newer like it might be a copy of the original. Maybe this cousin of yours had a copy made to display with the original rifle??

Randy Hedden

Randy,
I tend to agree its not the same horn but I am at a loss where it came from! It was on my website which I use to display photos for sites like these or on my own. I do not remember that horn! I found it looking for the ones we took at Heritage Day event which I knew I had uploaded earlier to post on this forum.

I am 99.9% positive that my cousin did not have it copied. He had no interest in it other than it was handed down with the rifle. I am going to call him and see what he knows about it.

What are the chances that was a standard engraving done at old Salem (or similar place) and they both were made there?
Dennis

Trkdriver99 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 15, 2009, 09:56:33 PM »

It looks as if there are more rings on the end plug on the one in the top picture. It is not as rough from wear around the tacks as the one with the band missing.

I really like the "new" one. Excellent work Tim.

Ronnie

G. Elsenbeck · « **Reply #15 on:** March 15, 2009, 11:11:41 PM »

Well Dennis, it appears to be only one or two things: A) it is a copy or, B) you uncovered two horns done by the same maker which, in and of itself, is a wonderful find. Personally I'd like to believe B as you seem pretty sure your cousin didn't it have it copied. Perhaps the original maker had two done, one right hand and one left hand carry. Maybe it's not a 'reverse image'?
I love a good mystery!

It will be interesting to hear what your cousin has to say. This would make a great article for some publication if it can be nailed down.
Gary

Tim Crosby · « **Reply #16 on:** March 15, 2009, 11:45:54 PM »

I wondered were that first photo came from myself. (See Sam Everly's post below) As to the bands on the original I think both the horn and the bands were heated and the bands pressed on. I have not perfected that skill yet so I used two small headless pins in each band. I cut my bands a lot wider than the finished band will be, boil them and put them on a sacrifice cone and turn them to size on the lathe. Not only squaring up the ends but reducing the band to a constant thickness, then the design is cut in. If necessary after the outside is round the band can be put in a chuck and the inside evened out. They are then heated again and pushed down on the horn itself and pinned.
The tip is also attached with small pins.
I am looking for more information on banded horns,applied or carved, so if anyone has any suggestion I would appreciate

Tim C.

G. Elsenbeck · « **Reply #17 on:** March 15, 2009, 11:54:33 PM »

From looking at the number of posts I think quite a few of us are looking for the same info.
Gary

Dennis Glazener · « **Reply #18 on:** March 15, 2009, 11:59:44 PM »

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I wondered were that first photo came from myself. I had seen the others but not that one. If you look at the rings engraved below the bird on both horns you will see that they are different. Hence different horns for sure but based on the design and location on the horn I would say they sere done by the same hand. I would like to see a full picture of the horn in pic 1 to see what kind of tip it had on it.
As to the bands on the original I think both the horn and the bands were heated and the bands pressed on. I have not perfected that skill yet so I used two small headless pins in each band. The tip is also attached with small pins.
I am looking for more information on banded horns,applied or carved, so if anyone has any suggestion I would appreciate

Tim C.

Tim is correct on how the original bands were put on. In trying to find out where that Number 1 photo came from I found where Sam Everly (he was with me the day my cousin came in with it, and also had a closer look at the horn) made this post on the old ALR board.

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The bands are solid horn with no tacks just friction holding them on. This may be why the 2 fell off . All 3 where evenly spaced apart. The tip looks to have been horn slid on the end, but it has been lost also.The walnut plug must be hollow because the horn is pretty light.

Still don't know where that first photo came from!
Dennis

LynnC · « **Reply #19 on:** March 16, 2009, 12:24:57 AM »

Thanks Tim & Dennis & everybody - Getting educated on these horns with rings - I'm gonna try my hand at makin one.............................Lynn

Sam Everly · « **Reply #20 on:** March 16, 2009, 12:55:28 AM »

Well after having a good laugh . The first pic is of the horn i had made for me about a year ago . I sent the pic to dennis to post for me then . I had it made for the left side, so it is reverse. I guess he put it with the other photos and forgot about it . The original horn had the bands just sliped on to the horn, no pins, or pegs .I guess that is why one fell off. The tip was the same way just sliped on , it was gone also . It looked like the scrim was added later, after the horn was made . It may have been the guns owner that did the scrim. It was not very good and i can only guess what the big animal is . It looks like a cross between a deer and horse or somthing.

Dennis Glazener · « **Reply #21 on:** March 16, 2009, 10:02:25 PM »

Boy am I embarrassed! I remember now but that was only a little over a year ago and I completely forgot about Sam's copy!
Dennis

keweenaw · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:21:24 PM »

Why anyone can tell that critter is a giraffe. Used to be lots of them down in the carolinas until the civil war when the crackers ate em up.

Tom

G. Elsenbeck · « **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:41:35 PM »

Dang, and I thought it might have been one of them thar imported camels to help the tobaccky industry.

Gary

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