Measuring from the muzzle I go 3 1/2" to the center of the first lug and 5" to the center of the first ram rod pipe. This gives you enough room to have up to a 2" nose cap and not make things look to crowded. Many of the original rifles that I have measured have similar measurements to those I have stated. Then again there is always that strange duck. A original late cap lock rifle that I have in the shop has a very short distance to the rear pipe from the breech, it measures 9", I make this distance 12" normally. So nothing is set in stone.