Author Topic: Pictures of Flintlock fowler (full length pictures added) (Read 5998 times)

okawbow · « **on:** February 02, 2018, 05:23:39 PM »

Hi All,

A friend in Wisconsin wanted me to post some pictures of guns he has for ID and comments. Any insight on where made, originality, and value would be appreciated. Thanks!

okawbow · « **Reply #1 on:** February 02, 2018, 05:26:00 PM »

More pictures.

Avlrc · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2018, 05:36:08 PM »

Nice piece. Think the tiger stripes were painted on. Maybe to make it look like an American stocked gun, but just an uneducated guess. I have some American made long rifles that have painted stripes on poorly figured maple.

Robert Wolfe · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2018, 05:41:26 PM »

A composite fowling gun based on the broken/reused buttplate.

rich pierce · « **Reply #4 on:** February 02, 2018, 05:48:26 PM »

Need some pix that show overall architecture. I agree a composite piece with a later lock.

okawbow · « **Reply #5 on:** February 02, 2018, 06:05:05 PM »

I'll ask him to send me full length pictures.

JV Puleo · « **Reply #6 on:** February 02, 2018, 06:33:49 PM »

Not bad... the trigger guard and butt plate are from an earlier gun. The stocking is probably around 1800 give-or-take a few years. The lock is English, c.1800 and it is impossible to tell what the barrel came from based on those photos.

Hlbly · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2018, 06:40:03 PM »

The stripe is real, it is not painted on. American stocking of old European parts. Neat old piece.

OldSouthRelics · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2018, 07:36:59 PM »

Is that a very robust full Iron ramrod I see?

Interesting piece. I'm thinking it is American Stocked reutilizing some older English parts. (Correction, French, Thanks Mike) Basically what JV Puleo said.

Full length pictures would be helpful as stated before, I'd suggest both sides, top of the barrel, and a picture of the muzzle.

Is there something written in the escutcheon?

Thank your friend for sharing his pictures, I appreciated seeing them.

Regards,

Bob

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2018, 09:03:14 PM »

The buttplate, trigger guard, trigger and plate are all from a 1750's french Fusil de trait. The lock is English. probably stocked up after 1800.

rich pierce · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2018, 09:31:39 PM »

All that suggests New England to me but we need to see the buttstock in profile.

David R. Pennington · « **Reply #11 on:** February 03, 2018, 04:47:18 PM »

Hilbly, what makes you so sure the stripe is real? Hard to really tell from photos but I don't see the wavy texture you can usually detect on an old well worn piece of curly wood. Jmho

Hlbly · « **Reply #12 on:** February 03, 2018, 11:38:39 PM »

David R, I base that statement on 53 years experience working with wood. I have seen hundreds of artificially striped stocks, and this is not one of them.

David R. Pennington · « **Reply #13 on:** February 04, 2018, 03:03:30 PM »

You are probably right, just hard for me to tell from photos.

Hungry Horse · « **Reply #14 on:** February 04, 2018, 05:27:03 PM »

If you guys blow up the picture of the wrist inlay you will find somebodies initials scratched into it, and the date of 1777.

Hungry Horse

Mike Brooks · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2018, 07:21:51 PM »

Quote from: Hungry Horse on February 04, 2018, 05:27:03 PM

If you guys blow up the picture of the wrist inlay you will find somebodies initials scratched into it, and the date of 1777.

Hungry Horse

There seems to be a lot of guns from new England that are dated 1777 on the thumb piece.

Feltwad · « **Reply #16 on:** February 05, 2018, 11:31:40 AM »

I bought this gun many years ago from a dealer here in the UK who said he bought it in the States the lock is Samuel Moore warranted enclosed images
Feltwad

OldSouthRelics · « **Reply #17 on:** February 05, 2018, 05:10:15 PM »

Quote from: Feltwad on February 05, 2018, 11:31:40 AM

I bought this gun many years ago from a dealer here in the UK who said he bought it in the States the lock is Samuel Moore warranted enclosed images
Feltwad

Nice piece. Interesting squared side on the lock plate. Is that common? I don't believe I see it often.

rich pierce · « **Reply #18 on:** February 05, 2018, 05:29:12 PM »

Feltwad, cool stuff but does it belong in this thread about another gun?

n stephenson · « **Reply #19 on:** February 05, 2018, 06:04:02 PM »

Quote from: Hlbly on February 03, 2018, 11:38:39 PM

David R, I base that statement on 53 years experience working with wood. I have seen hundreds of artificially striped stocks, and this is not one of them.

The picture of the bottom of the lock mortice , shows a length wise chip that goes through the finish , and the darker striped wood is visible under the finish level. I agree that this is a curly stock. JMHO Nate

Feltwad · « **Reply #20 on:** February 05, 2018, 06:18:41 PM »

Quote from: rich pierce on February 05, 2018, 05:29:12 PM

Feltwad, cool stuff but does it belong in this thread about another gun?

Sorry about that but what interested me was the lock plate with the name warranted the same has the flintlock .The question is are both guns built from parts of other guns maybe some members will clarify
Feltwad

Yes I should have entered it in the other thread [ Another set of Flintlock Pictures ]

rich pierce · « **Reply #21 on:** February 05, 2018, 06:46:49 PM »

Ahh, I missed the connection. No worries.

okawbow · « **Reply #22 on:** February 09, 2018, 05:17:45 AM »

More pictures

rich pierce · « **Reply #23 on:** February 09, 2018, 06:31:39 AM »

Looks New England to me.

Dan'l 1946 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 09, 2018, 09:28:06 PM »

When I was a boy, one of my friends' father had an almost identical piece. Made by one of the Tilestons up around Boston I think. He nailed up over the fireplace with finishing nails to kept us kids from playing with it. Caused the wood to shrink a bit.....
Dan

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Author Topic: Pictures of Flintlock fowler (full length pictures added) (Read 5998 times)

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