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What Caliber Target Rifles
« on: March 31, 2023, 03:07:32 AM »
What were the most popular calibers for a target rifle between 1850-60?   

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Re: What Caliber Target Rifles
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2023, 04:38:19 AM »
In New England at least they are nearly all around .40 caliber...usually from .38 to .42.

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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2023, 05:31:56 AM »
Thanks.  I recently bought one that is .54 cal. I thought that was large for a target rifle. Maybe it was dual use as a buffalo rifle or other big game.

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Re: What Caliber Target Rifles
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2023, 04:06:54 PM »
.32-.45 is pretty common based on my records with a wide variety in between and many around .38-.40.
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Re: What Caliber Target Rifles
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2023, 04:29:53 PM »
I don't know if it's a coincidence or other factor but Remington made and sold a lot of barrels to gunmakers back then and I think 38 cal was one of the popular cal. it seems. I have one rifle by an unknown maker that had a Remington 38 heavy 1&3/16 thick barrel and I have seen many more at gun shows over the years.

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Re: What Caliber Target Rifles
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2023, 04:53:30 PM »
A Question for the forum.....

Were these round ball rifles or were these for picket balls or perhaps paper patched slugs back then ?

.40 caliber round ball rifles and their projectiles get pretty squirreley in the wind much past 50 yds though I see some very good shots in competition push this out to 100 yds.

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Re: What Caliber Target Rifles
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2023, 05:04:57 PM »
It seems that the distances involved would be a determining factor.Curtis Allinson's long range 451 is the Acme* in muzzle loading rifles.Most shooters of muzzle loading guns in competition use round balls at much closer ranges and some even at distances associated with a pistol.In 1958 I made a light target rifle that was 58 caliber and did well with it and it worked at 100 yards.The price of powder and caps has become a grab and gouge and makes the flint lock more attractive.IF I were going to make a rifle for nothing but making holes in paper it would have a profile like Curtis's Henry either with or without the pistol grip.It would be 40 caliber with
octagon or round barrel or even a 1/3 octagon and 2/3 round and no rib or rod.Set trigger is optional but a fast lock is needed.Sights can be what works for you.This is just my opinion based on nearly 70 years of experience.
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Round balls are the most common.Picket "balls"take special loading methods but have been proven accurate as shown by the test report on the Whitmore rifle once owned by General Grant.Long paper patched bullets were not common in America until the powerful Sharps and Remington breech loaders came along that had patches rolled onto the bullet but there were 2 strip paper patches used with false muzzles that were made to accommodate them.
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Re: What Caliber Target Rifles
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2023, 08:21:20 PM »
I don't know if it's a coincidence or other factor but Remington made and sold a lot of barrels to gunmakers back then and I think 38 cal was one of the popular cal. it seems. I have one rifle by an unknown maker that had a Remington 38 heavy 1&3/16 thick barrel and I have seen many more at gun shows over the years.
The N.G.Whitmore target rifle I had was marked "Remington Cast steel" and if memory serves me,these came with a pilot hole of abut 1/4".This rifles was .40 caliber,false muzzle and Whitmore full length telescope sight and no provision for anything else.The barrel was about 1 and 1/8 across the flats.No forearm,back action lock of fine quality and the butt stock was identical in profile to the Grant rifle and butt plate and trigger guard were silver.
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Re: What Caliber Target Rifles
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2023, 08:23:19 PM »
Can you show “Curtis Henry” style?

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Re: What Caliber Target Rifles
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2023, 08:37:14 PM »
Henry Rifling - Harry Pope rifled in a VERY similar fashion of this Pope Steven's barrels.




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Re: What Caliber Target Rifles
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2023, 08:51:43 PM »
Can you show “Curtis Henry” style?
Look in Gun Building from yesterday and there are a bunch of them.This rifle reflects the makers ideas as to what he wanted and it is an outstnding representation of the best London rifles of that time.
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Re: What Caliber Target Rifles
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2023, 06:14:27 PM »
The most popular target rifle calibers during the period you mentioned were .38 and .47 caliber (picket rifles): some were larger though.  As slug rifles became more common any calibers between .38-.47 were used eventually reaching up into the .70's by the 1890's.