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28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« on: March 01, 2024, 08:11:53 PM »
For those of you who shoot a variety of calibers and/or hunt with a .54 caliber, have you found that it is actually about as ideal of a round ball caliber for medium to large game? What about target shooting? I am essentially wondering how and why .54 caliber was so popular of a caliber in the early 19th century.  The reason I ask is because a lot of the original muzzleloading sporting rifles I work with, be they English, German, etc., are right around the .54 caliber range. It was also a popular caliber in English dueling pistols and was the standard for American military rifles in the first half of the 19th century. Many of the original Hawken rifles that I've seen are .54 caliber as well. It isn't an uncommon caliber for American Longrifles either, but they of course have a much wider variety in calibers.

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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2024, 08:34:20 PM »
I read some place that the 54 was called the common trade ball.  :-\

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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2024, 08:39:24 PM »
I hunt primarily with one of my two 54's. I have never had to put a second shot into any of the game I have shot. I shot a large Russian boar with my 54 flintlock and he never finished taking the step he was taking though the near shoulder, heart, lung off shoulder and laid against the hide on the far side. That's why I shoot a 54 on game, as for accuracy I do not believe anything beats a 40 caliber.
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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2024, 08:44:13 PM »
In India(1860's), a 24 bore (.58) was considered too small to be useful for hunting "game".
.52 through .54 was popular in the American West, it seems, but then, so were .47 through .52's being ordered.
My old moose rifle, is my current target rifle. (.69/14 bore). 482gr. ball. The rifle also shoots 16 bore and 15 bore balls
almost as well. Patches must be changed to accommodate the smaller balls.
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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2024, 10:25:03 PM »
I tend to think of the .54 as a general-purpose caliber for North America (or similar sized game from Europe, etc).  Other than moose and the big bears, it seems adequate in power while still being manageable for most shooters.   A possible difference today is that people tend to not load up to a point where they get best accuracy; period records suggest that half ball weight (so, ~110-115 gr) was a common charge.  Loads around 60-80 grains are common today.  If I hunted moose more often, or in places where bears are an issue, I'd probably go with a 16-20 gauge rifle like Daryl and Dan, or my 10-11 gauge smoothbores.

A possible factor to consider is that, at least in what is now the US, many people choosing a rifle were also considering the defensive use of the rifle.  The military went to .54 after dabbling with the 1792 Contract Rifles in .47-.49 caliber.  I've not dug into it but have always been a bit curious for their reasoning in increasing the caliber for the .54 caliber 1803 and subsequent rifles until the adoption of the Minie ball. 

For targets, I bounce back and forth between the .50 and .54.  When chasing accuracy, recoil can become a factor (I suspect that is part of the reason for the popularity and success of the .40).  I think the place for the .54 in target shooting is where winds are a big factor. 

In handguns, particularly smooth bores, I like the .54.  In my experience smooth bore pistols seem tend to get best accuracy with heavier charges, and the .54 is about all I want to stand for 40-80 shots in a day.   In pistols rifled with a rifle twist, the same thing comes up.  I don't have enough experience with them to say how well a fast-twist .54 pistol would do, but then again, I don't recall seeing an original rifled .54 caliber pistol with a barrel rifled faster than 1:36. 

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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2024, 05:57:42 AM »
I love the .54 cal rifle.

I use them for hunting and for target shooting and it is my cal. of choice.

Cant tell you how many of them I have but it I think it is perhaps close to 10.

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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2024, 03:56:33 PM »
I have two .54 caliber rifles. One is a Hawken I built. It has a 37 inch GRRW barrel including the plug. It weighs 10 and 1/2 pounds. It is a great target rifle.
I shoot three loads out of it 60 grains 2f for 50 yards and under and 90 grains for over 50 yards. 100 grains for hunting.
With 60 grains it does not beat you up at all. 90 grains isn't punishing.
However it is heavy for hunting if you are doing spot and stalk. I have carried that SOB a couple of hundred miles. And have killed four elk with it.

My other is a Bucks county rifle with a very light ED Rayl barrel. It weighs just under seven pounds. It will beat you up if you are target shooting where time is a factor. It is fine for trail walks (WEST) and woods walks (East). I have killed 3 elk with it .
 I used it at Friendship last June where I was second looser hitting 15 out of 16 targets with it. A lot of time between targets.
it is a very accurate rifle but it will wake you up with a 95 grain hunting load if you are just target shooting.


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Cow elk taken withBucks county .54.
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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2024, 08:05:59 PM »
For those of you who shoot a variety of calibers and/or hunt with a .54 caliber, have you found that it is actually about as ideal of a round ball caliber for medium to large game? What about target shooting? I am essentially wondering how and why .54 caliber was so popular of a caliber in the early 19th century.  The reason I ask is because a lot of the original muzzleloading sporting rifles I work with, be they English, German, etc., are right around the .54 caliber range. It was also a popular caliber in English dueling pistols and was the standard for American military rifles in the first half of the 19th century. Many of the original Hawken rifles that I've seen are .54 caliber as well. It isn't an uncommon caliber for American Longrifles either, but they of course have a much wider variety in calibers.

The 1/2 ounce trade ball about .530-.535” was used in the western trade guns and was basically “in stock” at any traders.
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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2024, 08:43:26 PM »
Lets remember that during the first two centuries involving firearms 1650- 1850 there were no slandered calibers as we know them today.  The soft lead balls were measured by the number of complete balls one could cast out of a pound of lead.
 So 12 balls per pound the diameter would be "720" = 12 ga.,  32 balls per pound would be ."535"., 31 balls per pound would give you ."540"., 25 balls per pound would give .580., 28 balls per pound would give you ."560",. Hence a 28 ga. is actually a 56 cal.  It wasn't till the civil war effort that we started to see wide standardization in projectiles.  Balls or conicals.  Hugh Toenjes
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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2024, 12:38:42 AM »
TARGET /GAME SHOOTING IT MAKES A HOLE BIG ENOUGH I CAN SEE FROM A DISTANCE---LOVE 54 s

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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2024, 12:50:45 AM »
As per pure lead weights, your numbers are out somewhat, Hugh, according to the chart from the Los Angeles Silhouette Club.
To be more "accurate":
# to the pound actual ball weighs in pure lead.
12 = 583.3gr. @.730". (7000gr. divided by 12 to the pound)
32 = 218.8gr. @ .526"
31 = 225.8gr. @ .532"
25 = 280.0gr. @ .571"
28 = 250.0gr. @ .550"


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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2024, 01:59:13 AM »
Daryl:  If you check the different charts from the different organizations you will get slightly different numbers from each one.  Yours differs from the ones I referenced.  However I have personally counted the # 31 balls per pound from my .540 mold and yes it does come out to 31.5 And don't forget that you can only count complete spheres NOT partial spheres. Also it is not an exact measurement in terms of ball dia.  They can vary +/- .010" or somewhere in between.
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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2024, 03:05:51 AM »
The diameters I showed are arrived at mathematically.
12 to the pound is an exact weight and diameter of ball - 12 balls of that size, weigh 1 pound, ie: 7000gr. or 583.3gr. weight.
Obviously there would be some weight variation, but I doubt .020". .020" is the difference between a .36 and a .38 cal rifle.
As I stated, according to the chart from the Los Angeles Silhouette Club. Right or wrong, that is what they
show. The math is correct on the ball weights. What was "done" with their sizing and how close they were to
actual measurements, we may likely never know.  We do know the orders to the gun makers back East, from the
frontier were for "by the pound" rifles, as in "4 dozen rifles, stocked fully with 4 foot barrels carrying balls 44 to the pound".
We also know they ordered guns 150 to the pound (.31) and differently styled guns with different length barrels in 125 to the
pound. Those are only .020" different in size, but 2 separate orders. Then, 166 to the pound and 150 to the pound are only .009
apart in actual size of ball. I don't think the makers were as sloppy as you indicate, but then, it's just all speculation.
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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2024, 05:10:29 PM »
Clearly .54 remains popular. In terms of "bore" to caliber conversions. I've generally found this one to be pretty darn close to what things measure:
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/britishmilitariaforums/english-bore-to-caliber-conversion-t11574.html
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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2024, 09:57:52 PM »
That is the same chart I always make reference to as well.

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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2024, 02:08:22 AM »
Most are identical to my chart as noted.(the dozen or so I cross referenced, except .729 was the designated 12 bore size back int he 60's and 70's, but
the LosAngeles chart shows 12 as .730. There are a couple others out .001".
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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2024, 11:21:47 PM »
I have a rifle that “carries” 16 to the pound. The balls weight 437 grains +- a little and are .662 in diameter. 32 to the pound is 218.5 (truely one ounce is 437.5 gr. So a TRUE 1/2 ounce ball is 218.75  .25 ounce is only important to bean counters.) I have a .526 (that casts a little large) a .530 and a .535. I could weigh some and refresh my memory but its not important. The ball fit with a good patch thickness is all that matters. With a heavy patch most 54s will shoot a .526 to .535 pretty much interchangeably perhaps with patch thickenss adjustments for the smallest. A 28 bore .550”  will need a ball .540-.545 to be “proper”. With a 535 a a “possible” with a heavy patch.
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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2024, 11:26:43 PM »
The chart I use BTW is one of those from the Gov’t proof house used in W.W. Greener’s “The Gun and Its Development” the 1896 edition. And they are “calculated” But I have a RB mould that makes a .662 ball and it weighs one ounce and the tables show the bore size for a 16 bore as .662. I trust these charts.
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Re: 28 Bore (.54 Caliber) Rifles
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2024, 12:42:54 AM »
The balls from my Lyman .662" mould, weigh 438gr. & are .662" X .662". I assumed the extra 1/2 gr. was due to the sprue.
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