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Offline Old and Grumpy

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New Member- old gun
« on: June 01, 2024, 05:50:42 PM »
Just joined. I live in Southern Nevada. I fell down the black powder hole a few years back. I build from kits and re work junk guns I find in the shops. Don't worry I never refinish a true antique. Preservation not restoration. -- Other day I was in my LGS. They had just taken in a "Ohio"? long rifle. .36 or .32 flint by H Burns. It's in very good shape except the lock is frozen.Thus the good price.  The only pictures I can find on line are all cap lock not flint. Any ideas of the time frame these came from? I don't have pictures yet.  Thanks for the help. O&G

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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2024, 06:08:05 PM »
Good Morning, and welcome to this forum.
For your maker, Sellers American Gunsmiths book lists a Henry C. Burns, Dayton and Lewisburg Ohio, Percussion, 1850 / 1890.

Pictures of the gun would certainly help.
Welcome again, John
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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2024, 06:12:33 PM »
Thanks. Pictures will come.

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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2024, 12:41:24 AM »
Welcome to the fourm . There is a lot of info here. If Sellers has the time frame correct for H. Burns (1850-1890 ) it probably was not made as a flintlock  .Pictures will tell the tale. Thanks for jumping onboard.  Jim
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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2024, 02:57:44 PM »
That is what I thought. A conversion. The pan looks too bright. Can see on the inside where the patch box was re hinged. This one has a lot more "bling" than any pictures I have found. Pictures will come. --- Some of my other projects.- Lets see if they post.







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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2024, 06:18:45 PM »
Hey O&G you’ve made my day, now I know I’m not alone. I also have both of those pistols. They were given to me years ago when their owners upgraded to better firearms. I got the short barreled pistol first, and decided I needed to learn to solder on an under-rib so I shortened the stock to a more traditional half stock length, and proceed to solder on an under-rib, and ramrod pipe. I had made a couple of nose caps for friends rifles so that would have been the simple fix, but I was beginning to think these pistols could be a good cheap learning tool. Boy, was I right. I poured my first nose cap of pewter on that little pistol.

 The long barreled pistol was a stalled project of a friend, that somehow had cracked the stock in the bottom of the ramrod groove. It became my “trade pistol” by the addition of a round .67 smoothbore barrel, a flintlock to replace the old percussion lock, and a tapered ramrod to accommodate the larger bore. Both guns got internals for their locks from CVA rifles that had bridles, and flies. It is so great to have guns you don’t have a ton of money tied up in you can let pilgrims without worrying about damage to the gun, or the shooter.

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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2024, 06:37:01 PM »
It's fun. But this is drifting from collecting antiques to building. At some point I will post more of them under Gun Building.

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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2025, 01:04:32 AM »
This is in regards to the Henry Burns Rifle you found in LGS in Nevada. I collect Henry C. Burns Rifles, I have 5 of them now. Did you buy that one you found? I grew up in Lewisburg, Ohio, thus the interest in his Rifles. He was Capt. Daniel Marker's Grandson who was from Maryland and later Ohio. The Markers were 4 generations of Gunsmiths and Henry  has a total of 20 relatives that were Gunsmiths. I would like to hear more about this Rifle you found. Plus any other Henry Burns Rifles anybody may know of, Henry's older Brother Daniel Marker Burns was also a Gunsmith in Ohio. I own 2 of his Rifles also.                                                 
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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2025, 01:28:57 PM »
Welcome to the forum. Thanks for the info. I did get it. I have a new computer now so the pictures are stuck in the camera still. Will get the kid to show me how to transfer them. What was the point of such a fat barrel for a small caliber?  Did Burns build them flint or would this be a conversion? All I have done to it is swab the bore , clean and lube the lock works and wipe it down lightly.  Pictures to come.

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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2025, 02:20:09 PM »
The lock is not frozen like I thought. It was just very dry and dirty. Ultrasound and a good oiling solved that. Off the gun the lock works fine. Mounted the top of the trigger bade is too high to let it come to full cock. I have had this problem with my cheep CVAs. Have not had the nerve to file on the trigger blade yet. If there are other tricks for this problem please let me know. The ram rod will not go past the entry pipe.  Pipe may have been crushed at some point. It came with a "half " rod for looks :o.  I will be ordering proper flints from T.O.W.  when you guys help me ID the lock.   ---- Now that I have been a member for some time and follow the builds you guys do I have learned that I am WAY OUT OF MY LEAGUE !   Thanks for the help.

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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2025, 07:05:31 PM »
              I am a Henry C. Burns Collector, I was given one of his Rifles when I was a young boy and that started my love for his Rifles. I wrote an article in the AOLRC Magazine last year,"Henry Burns and Related Gunsmiths: A Family Affair" By Fred Schreel. It's in the Vol. XLVI Number 1, April 2024 Edition. I'm kinda the Worlds Authority on Henry and his Family. I will be set up at their 50 th Annual Show in Marietta, Ohio at the Lafayette Hotel on the 5th and 6th of April.             Hope to here from Ya !                                                                                           
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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2025, 07:16:50 PM »
Wish I could come.  If you are ever around Vegas let me know might meet at the range. 

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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2025, 07:39:09 PM »
Does the AOLRC mag have a web page or some link? All I come up with for aolrc is some new age  retreat and wellness thing.   Ran google  several ways no hit.
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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2025, 07:45:10 PM »
Does the AOLRC mag have a web page or some link? All I come up with for aolrc is some new age  retreat and wellness thing.

https://www.aolrc.com/
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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2025, 07:51:44 PM »
Thanks EGG !! Big help. -- That's a far cry from a new age hippy get together :o
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Re: New Member- old gun
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2025, 08:17:36 PM »