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Offline Fullstock longrifle

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Help Identifying Maker
« on: June 11, 2024, 03:50:58 AM »
I came across this rifle today that needs some help. The barrel is signed, but I canít make it out, any idea who this maker is? Thanks for your help.













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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2024, 04:20:46 AM »
Nice find. Is it a Maryland rifle?    I see N. Van Owen Oer.   I never heard of a maker with that name. That is a riddle.

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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2024, 04:44:16 AM »
Nice find. Is it a Maryland rifle?    I see N. Van Owen Oer.   I never heard of a maker with that name. That is a riddle.

It does have some Maryland features Mark, but I canít make out enough of the signature to tell.

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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2024, 05:08:06 AM »
I hope that you find out. It looks like a nice rifle. I would guess Western Pa?

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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2024, 05:18:00 AM »
I'd think W. Pa as well.
For the name, still looking, hoping something will pop up out of there.
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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2024, 05:33:26 AM »
I hope that you find out. It looks like a nice rifle. I would guess Western Pa?

Yeah, the box & side plate do look WPA.

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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2024, 05:53:10 AM »
Reminds me of Jacob Earnest/Allison and WPA. Did you look through Rickís book?
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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2024, 06:10:41 AM »
I looked in Rick's book and could not find a name like/close to that.  Does anyone else think the last name is Van Owen Oer?

Do you wonder if he shortened it up to Oer or Van Owen sometime later?

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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2024, 02:19:43 PM »
Reminds me of Jacob Earnest/Allison and WPA. Did you look through Rickís book?

Yes, I checked it out, couldnít find anything close unfortunately.

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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2024, 02:21:44 PM »
I looked in Rick's book and could not find a name like/close to that.  Does anyone else think the last name is Van Owen Oer?

Do you wonder if he shortened it up to Oer or Van Owen sometime later?

The name is done so light itís hard to say Mark.

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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2024, 04:28:38 PM »
Nice find Frank! I'm thinking western Pa. also. I like the patchbox engraving and eagle. Interesting signature.

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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2024, 05:27:58 PM »
Nice find Frank! I'm thinking western Pa. also. I like the patchbox engraving and eagle. Interesting signature.

Yes, Iím sure it is, the box looks like Allisonís work, but itís not him.

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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2024, 11:51:50 PM »
I'm in the Western Pa. camp also. Icouldn't find any name close.  Perhaps the name of the owner?
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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2024, 12:32:04 AM »
I'm in the Western Pa. camp also. Icouldn't find any name close.  Perhaps the name of the owner?

Iíve never seen an owners name on the top flat, but I cleaned the signature some and itís N Vangivenger.

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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2024, 12:54:19 AM »
How about last name Vandevender or Vandevandor  ?
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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2024, 01:48:10 AM »
How about last name Vandevender or Vandevandor  ?




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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2024, 03:44:39 AM »
Here is a Nicholas Vandivender from Western Pa, right time frame.  You might be able to find his occupation in the 1850 census records.

 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/8948780/nicholas-vandivender

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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2024, 01:26:23 PM »
Here is a Nicholas Vandivender from Western Pa, right time frame.  You might be able to find his occupation in the 1850 census records.

 https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/8948780/nicholas-vandivender

Thanks Mark, that sure looks close!

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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2024, 02:15:48 PM »
I'm in the Western Pa. camp also. Icouldn't find any name close.  Perhaps the name of the owner?

Iíve never seen an owners name on the top flat, but I cleaned the signature some and itís N Vangivenger.
   I have seen a handful with owners name but all made by Shreckengost.
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Re: Help Identifying Maker
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2024, 09:19:05 PM »
I'm in the Western Pa. camp also. Icouldn't find any name close.  Perhaps the name of the owner?

Iíve never seen an owners name on the top flat, but I cleaned the signature some and itís N Vangivenger.
   I have seen a handful with owners name but all made by Shreckengost.

Iíve actually seen one, but it had the gunsmiths name, then ďforĒ and the owners name after that.