Author Topic: Seeking information on Francois Gome  (Read 940 times)

Offline Jsomerville58

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Seeking information on Francois Gome
« on: November 12, 2024, 02:51:23 AM »
I recently acquired an original long rifle with the barrel stamped Francois. Gome. I'm seeking information on this maker.
Barrel is 42", approximately.30 caliber.













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Re: Seeking information on Francois Gome
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2024, 03:23:47 AM »
I have never heard this name before, so I checked several reference books. The name was reported by an old time Ohio Collector, Forrest Tilton, years ago as a gunsmith in Stark County, Ohio, 1850-1860. However, none of the later Ohio books by Hutslar or Whisker mention the name, suggesting they had never seen such a barrel mark, or had not been able to find a documented source for the name.

Your rifle appears to be an original old gun... but it also appears to have been heavily modified from its original condition. The patchbox is an earlier Lancaster, PA style, but when your photo of the box is enlarged, it gives the impression of being a much newer box added to an old, original rifle. The engraving quality is much inferior to an original Lancaster box, and looks modern to me, supported by almost no patina/oxidation on the box. It is more difficult to assess the carving, but it has an amateurish look to me, incorrectly shaped at wrist, etc., and while possibly original, I tend to think it is also a much later added detail, probably when the gun was "restored" in an effort to increase the value of a somewhat plain old rifle.

As to the "Francios Gome" name on the barrel, it does seem to have some patina similar to the barrel surface. But IF, and I really mean IF, such a gunmaker existed in Ohio in the 1850-1860 period, the gun's style, stock shape, etc., is wrong for a rifle from that area and period... and the patchbox is wrong for that time period and area. I cannot explain why the stamped letters have a good, darkened appearance, but they appear to be individually stamped with machinist stamps, which I do not believe were used by any original gunsmith back in the mid-nineteenth century and is much more likely a modern effort to make the gun look like it was made by an old-time gunsmith. If it were an actual gunsmith's stamp from back in that era, it would have more uniform lettering all on the same line from a one-piece stamp.

I apologize for being somewhat blunt on this rifle, and I hope you continue to use this site as you grow into this fascinating hobby of collecting early American longrifles, but I think you might have picked up a heavily "reworked" old rifle this time with non-original, added enhancements to increases its value, which damages rather than helps its collector value.

Shelby Gallien
« Last Edit: November 12, 2024, 08:31:39 PM by Tanselman »

Offline JTR

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Re: Seeking information on Francois Gome
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2024, 05:52:52 AM »
I agree with Shelby.
Probably old wood, with lots of new carving and parts.
John
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Offline Jsomerville58

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Re: Seeking information on Francois Gome
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2024, 02:55:51 AM »
Thank you for your honest feedback. I surely appreciate it.

Offline ntqlvr1948

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Re: Seeking information on Francois Gome
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2024, 05:59:23 AM »
None of these guys can really give a true opinion without an on hands examination.

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Re: Seeking information on Francois Gome
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2025, 12:34:42 AM »
Hi,

I just found this thread. 

I have a barrel marked FRANCOIS. GOME. also.  It came from a rusty parts haul in California. 

It is 45", 40 cal.  1" at the breech and slightly swamped.  The rifling is old style narrow grooves.  The sights appear to be old.  The front sight is just a sliver or brass. 

The remaining part of the forearm is curly maple.  The wood is quite chunkie, not graceful.  I do a couple of original trigger guards in the parts haul.  Neither looks like the OP.  The breech plug is a square bolt with some arch welding residue. The thimbles are folded and look old. 

The name is stamped in the top flat using individual characters.  The font is old though. 

I suspect he was someone using old parts to assemble rifles.  Maybe in the 1950s ?  Just guessing . 
 

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