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Offline WKevinD

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Showed up in the shop, Italian? Pictures added
« on: December 11, 2024, 11:39:00 PM »
Smoothbore, about 20ga. 42" barrel.
I am fascinated with this piece.
A friend picked it up at an auction brought it in for a cleaning.

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Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2024, 12:49:22 AM »
My guess is Spain.

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Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2024, 02:23:23 AM »
Looks Spanish to me too
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Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2024, 04:01:28 PM »
Hi,
Look for maker and city marks stamped on the barrel.  It looks Spanish, Madrid, from the early 19th century.

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Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2024, 05:53:09 PM »
That stock style is known as the "Madrid stock" but was used by Spanish makers nearby as well.
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Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2024, 06:53:54 PM »
Invariably very powerful locks and a Chinese puzzle to take apart if not used to them!
Escopeta?

Apparently, these guns will often stand upright on the buttplate unsupported.
Having said that it doesn't sound a good idea!

Looks in Very good order.

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Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2024, 10:54:34 PM »
Invariably very powerful locks and a Chinese puzzle to take apart if not used to them!
Escopeta?

Apparently, these guns will often stand upright on the buttplate unsupported.
Having said that it doesn't sound a good idea!

Looks in Very good order.

It does stand on its flat buttplate (if I am inches away)
No markings on the barrel
I have not removed the lock yet but I am familiar with those letteral sears...I will not be taking it apart
I've seen pictures  but never had a chance to play with one in the shop before. The stock is slim and the ramrod is fully enclosed in the forestock.

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Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2024, 11:34:37 PM »
Kevin, got a full length "shot"?
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Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2024, 06:00:54 AM »
Daryl, I'll take one tomorrow AM

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Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2024, 05:36:20 PM »
Kevin,

What I Do like, are the few Germanic rifles that followed this Spanish design in the fluted buttstock.
I think they can be very attractive and have a barrel in the rafters to make such a gun.

There are two shown in Harold L Peterson's book, "The Great Guns".  One by Michael Wagner in Cronach, 1703, and one by Paul Poser, roughly the same time period.
Can't recall if they are in George's Jaeger book...

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Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2024, 11:48:33 PM »
I remember now. I have that book too, Richard. Beautiful guns.
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Re: Showed up in the shop, Italian?
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2024, 05:40:21 AM »
I added more pictures.

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