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Offline Dogman1978

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Help identify black powder rifle
« on: December 17, 2024, 10:24:38 PM »
I am needing any info on trying to identify a passed down rifle to me.






Offline Hungry Horse

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Re: Help identify black powder rifle
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2024, 11:00:51 PM »
 Is this a confused build with a right hand lock and a left hand cheek rest, or does it have a cheek rest on both sides of the stock?

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Offline Dogman1978

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Re: Help identify black powder rifle
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2024, 11:32:48 PM »
Yes,Cheek piece is for left hand shooter and stock built by a leftie. Half of my guns are right side actions and stock for a leftie. Just wondering who reproduced side plate.

Offline Daryl

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Re: Help identify black powder rifle
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2024, 06:58:19 AM »
I've seen that lock's engraving before, but cannot put my finger on it as to a make.
Is that a Hall Sharon rifle?
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Offline Martin S.

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Re: Help identify black powder rifle
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2024, 07:59:42 AM »
Pull the lock and see if it says "Roller" on the inside.  IIRC, he made some locks with that plate.

Also, is there a name on the top barrel flat?  Or is there a name underneath the barrel on one of the flats?

Offline Roger B

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Re: Help identify black powder rifle
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2025, 05:14:10 AM »
I had one of those & it was Italian from Palmetto Arms, I think. Bob did make some locks based on the plates & triggers. I have one of his locks that look exactly like this one.
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Offline Bob Roller

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Re: Help identify black powder rifle
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2025, 10:34:07 PM »
These plates were from the 1960's and from Harold Hess in Livonia Michigan.Hammers also and there was a low end mechanism copied from the same lock.I still have one,An antique lock was used  to make those moulds and the project started in Texas by? :-\Curt Pearson.
Just for hoots and giggles I made ONE with a 3 pin English mechanism.The moulds for this lock and many others were for years in the shop of Jerry Devaudreuil in Wooster,Ohio and after he passed away,Log Cabin Shop in Lodi,Ohio bought his moulds and remaining inventory.Liza Kindig told me she bought all of these moulds and parts so they would escape being taken to a land fill by someone who has/had no idea about what these items were.The earlier mentioned Harold Hess operated as International Arms and got a visit from the BATF because of his choice of business name. One of the Federal men became a friend and I made a number of flintlocks for him and he had Len Meadows at Shady Spring WVa make some nice guns.Jerry Devaudreuil also used "International Arms as an identifier but no visits from the "Feds".
One last thing,whoever made that rifle has a good idea about inletting the breech/lock area.
Bob Roller
« Last Edit: January 08, 2025, 10:50:44 PM by Bob Roller »