Author Topic: Potential Late John Maggard Rifle  (Read 1271 times)

Offline maharsb

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Potential Late John Maggard Rifle
« on: May 04, 2025, 03:21:14 AM »
I picked this rifle up a couple of years ago and am just getting around to posting it. I would appreciate any input. I am hoping someone can help pinpoint where it might be from, when it might have been made and possibly by who.  All hardware is iron except the trigger guard is brass. The barrel is 43 inches.





































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Offline maharsb

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Re: Possibly southern rifle? Any help identifying appreciated.
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2025, 06:11:05 PM »
My guess is that the drum and sites were changed out at some point.

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Re: Possibly southern rifle? Any help identifying appreciated.
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2025, 06:53:03 PM »
Looks like the stamp says 'Dayton' and maybe an O. Possibly was a barrel that was shortened and lost some more of a stamp that would have been helpful.
I believe the guard (by what I can see) is iron that has yellowed on the patina here and there or perhaps someone scrubbed it with brass wool or a brass brush to remove rust at some point. The tang looks southern. Could be a restock/rebuild of parts.
Interesting, I just hate back action locks (it's a personal thing) and I am offended that Maslin made them
now that I have seen they made them.

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Re: Possibly southern rifle? Any help identifying appreciated.
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2025, 06:58:48 PM »
At the breech, it looks like it could be Dayton, O. If so, that could be where the barrel came from. Dayton, Ohio, had hardware stores that sold rifle parts, they  had a rifle barrel maker or two. But on top of the barrel  is J M., who is probably the maker.   Has a unique cheek piece.  Neat iron furnishings and lovely wood.

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Re: Possibly southern rifle? Any help identifying appreciated.
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2025, 01:35:00 AM »
The wood and iron furnishings is what attracted me to this gun. It is a neat looking piece to me. It seems to be pretty well put together even if it is a parts gun. Could the barrel be “J Wilt Dayton o”?  The first letter could be a J ant the next 2 look pretty clearly to be WI would the Dayton barrel point towards an Ohio made gun?

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Re: Possibly southern rifle? Any help identifying appreciated.
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2025, 03:10:04 AM »
Interesting rifle.  Every part is shall we say "distinctive".  I'd say I've not seen those distinctions in any southern rifle that I know of.  But I mostly concentrate on the Appalachian school.

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Re: Possibly southern rifle? Any help identifying appreciated.
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2025, 06:14:15 AM »
A possible maker for this rifle is John Maggard of Letcher County, Kentucky, down in the state's southeastern Cumberland Plateau region or "hill country" located one county above the Tennessee line. Born in 1796, his early rifles had walnut stocks, iron mounts, and three ramrod pipes, but later rifles used maple at times. I have not seen a Maggard rifle with a back-action lock, nor have I seen one this late... but he worked into the 1870s. While the triangular butt with straight comb/toe lines, long wrist, and long, large-bored barrel are all typical of his work, I have not seen this more elaborate cheekpiece on his earlier work, which had more traditionally shaped cheeks. My rifle has a tang of the same length, rounded tip, but straight sides rather than the small "step" about an inch and a half behind the breech... but that "step" was a common feature on some other rifles made in the area and could easily show up on a later Maggard gun.

Maggard was best known as a skilled blacksmith who made many edge tools for the locals, including shears, cow bells, and fine knives, along with a few guns when needed. He was capable of doing the good quality iron work on this rifle. The primary reason for thinking the gun may be by Maggard is the initialed barrel. The '"J" and "M" match the initials closely in shape and size on a rifle I have, which also has a similar small circle punched between the initials, but not the punched stars before/after the initials nor stars on muzzle. The bores also look similar with 7-groove rifling that is cut shallow. 

Not a solid attribution, but a reasonable possibility.

Shelby Gallien
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Re: Possibly southern rifle? Any help identifying appreciated.
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2025, 01:09:30 PM »
A nice looking gun  but it is a back action lock and not a side lock  I understand only side locks allowed .
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Re: Possibly southern rifle? Any help identifying appreciated.
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2025, 02:23:07 PM »
Hi Feltwad,
We consider back action locks to be side locks mainly because there are many important American percussion long rifles that used them and they were integral to the swivel breech long rifles. 

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Re: Possibly southern rifle? Any help identifying appreciated.
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2025, 03:15:43 PM »
That's an interesting rear sight. Would appreciate a couple of more picture of the sight. I don't recall ever seeing one quite like it. Thanks.

J.B.

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Re: Possibly southern rifle? Any help identifying appreciated.
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2025, 04:23:20 PM »
Indeed, many back action locks were used in the 1840s by American long rifle makers.  In the south, Peden and P. Gillespie used them on their long rifles. 

The name of this forum is American Long Rifles....so that to me is the focus area.  I.E. Made in America, and a long rifle. 

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Re: Possibly southern rifle? Any help identifying appreciated.
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2025, 08:05:05 PM »
I think we are confusing the back-action lock question here. Back-action locks are side lock, just as much as a front action locks, so they have never been questioned on this site.

The locks the site prefers to avoid are box-locks and under-hammers where the hammer is NOT on the side of the gun. That rules out under-hammers and box locks, even if made by longrifle makers, since they are not side hammer guns.

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Re: Possibly southern rifle? Any help identifying appreciated.
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2025, 01:47:15 AM »
That's an interesting rear sight. Would appreciate a couple of more picture of the sight. I don't recall ever seeing one quite like it. Thanks.

J.B.
Here are some more pictures of the rear site






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Re: Possibly southern rifle? Any help identifying appreciated.
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2025, 01:59:49 AM »
Thanks for the information Tanselman, that gives me a lot more than I had before. I’m still trying to learn this stuff. I can only pick up so much from books and reading online. This form is great for learning, I really appreciate y’all taking time to comment and help a newbie like me.