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Next New England fowler: the gonne is donne
« on: June 12, 2025, 04:32:51 PM »
My next assignment is to replicate a very plain, simple New England fowler based on one in him Mullins’ book Of Sorts for Provincials. The lock is a set of TRS castings put together by a guy who is able to sort out whatever is necessary. It’s a very big, 7” flat Dutch lock. The barrel is a Rice French model which is a gem. They are making these with a wonderful big breech and rapid taper in the first 8-10”, like so many originals. The gun will have no buttplate or entry thimble, no side plate, and a forged iron guard.   Interesting project we are calling “A New England Farmer’s Gun”.
In the book “Of Sorts” it’s on page 73-76. The lock is so long I had to reconfigure my draft “blueprint” because the search is further from the pan than I’ve ever experienced. This lock is going to jar the gun when it is released.





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Re: Next New England fowler
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2025, 04:36:27 PM »
Now THAT's a honking big lock.
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2025, 04:58:52 PM »
Now THAT's a honking big lock.
It puts a Brown Bess lock into the “medium sized” category.
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2025, 05:29:32 PM »
What a cool project! These are the guns that carved out existence in the woods of New England. I recently had Rice make a custom barrel based upon that very gun; I used calipers and a magnifying glass to establish the taper profile and measurements and Jason did the rest. It tapers .28” in the first foot!

Looking forward to watching this one.

- Tom

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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2025, 06:29:32 PM »
What will you use for a lock?  And how did you get the dimensions!
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2025, 07:34:18 PM »
Not sure on the lock, but definitely something big! Maybe a dog lock? Is that TRS 536 you’re using?

I had to make some assumptions since only barrel length and caliber are listed. I first establish the barrel profile and thickness ratios using calipers (it’s the best I can do without touching the original); these books are great because they provide that top-down view over two pages.

Then I apply the assumptions. It’s .63 caliber and I hate thick-walled muzzles, so using .06” walls the muzzle becomes .75. Now that is the “known” and I use that to work back to the breech, applying the taper ratios calculated. Or one can decide on a breech thickness and work the other direction.

Is it perfect? No, but by gathering lots of data points (every inch on the picture) ratios can be pretty well established. Plotting each measurement on a piece of graph paper then drawing lines through them breaks it down and helps find the average of the points since there is inevitable error using calipers and a magnifying glass on a picture.  I can’t remember what it’s called but here’s an idea of what I mean.

It’s pretty fun! And right now, Larry Horrigan is making me one measured from the Lewis fowler on page 97. I have some other profiles from that book if anyone’s interested I’m happy to share.

I hope I didn’t hijack your thread, Rich. Please post updates — these kinds of guns have so much character.

- Tom





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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2025, 07:35:37 PM »
Love it. Keep hijacking! Good to know how others approach similar projects.
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2025, 08:36:05 PM »
Great project. I used that lock on one and loved it. It is GIANT. Gives any gun a unique look.
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2025, 08:43:15 PM »
 The Miroku Charleville lock is good quality and big enough to require its own size flints. I’m modifying one right now for a club butt Fowler build.

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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2025, 02:36:12 AM »
The sparks will look like a mentor shower.

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2025, 04:00:48 AM »
Oh I love projects like this.  Thank you for sharing it with us.  Early guns like this for some reason hold quite an attraction for me.  I know they are not exactly as “popular” as more refined and decorated guns, but they are my favorite.

I would love to see more books with more examples of guns like these, in addition to Of Sorts for Provincials, Flintlock Fowlers, Battle Weapons of the American Revolution, and Muskets of the Revolution. 

Doug

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Re: Next New England fowler
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2025, 04:16:24 AM »
Rich,
 
Great gun!
Great project!
Gauge?
All iron hardware?

Looking forward to seeing it.

Kevin
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2025, 04:30:21 AM »
Kevin, 20 gauge like the original. I’ll forge the guard and trigger. The 2 thimbles are round and short and made of brass. It’s a real frugal gun. No buttplate, no entry thimble, no side plate either.
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2025, 08:49:00 PM »
  Great project/subject matter!  'Looking forward to seeing this one's progress/completion.

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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2025, 09:52:16 PM »
Very cool, keep us posted
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Re: Next New England fowler
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2025, 05:33:53 AM »
This is going to be a fun project to follow, Rich. Thanks for sharing it.
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2025, 01:33:48 PM »
I recently saw an early club butt fowler with 4 nails at the heel to prevent wear when loading. On a long gun one needs to lean it over to load. I’ll ask if the client wants this. I’d like to do it.
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2025, 04:04:03 PM »
Nice detail!
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2025, 05:55:09 PM »
Oh now that is interesting.  Is that fowler published anywhere that you know of?  I do love these working man’s fowlers, especially ones that could fit into the French and Indian War or earlier timeframe.  I could look at them all day.

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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2025, 06:05:48 PM »
I really like that detail!
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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2025, 07:32:00 PM »
Oh now that is interesting.  Is that fowler published anywhere that you know of?  I do love these working man’s fowlers, especially ones that could fit into the French and Indian War or earlier timeframe.  I could look at them all day.

Doug

That particular north the nails at the heel is not published and I don’t have permission to share more. In time it will be documented online. I am really wanting to use that. I’m still practicing making nails. I made a couple headers. Now the challenge is judging where to cut the nail from the rod to leave the right amount for a head. Practice, practice. First nail rodeo.
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« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2025, 08:11:34 PM »
Rich,
I just finished up a trade gun and used a pile of nails at the butt
 the "heal" nails are all fairly short 1/2" but are very secure. I "barbed" the shafts with a cold chisel before driving them home
Can't get my pictures to upload
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« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2025, 08:49:23 PM »
Niiice!
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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2025, 08:25:12 PM »
Forged a guard similar to the original today. I’ll inlet the tab for pinning the front in place. There was no forward extension on the original. I’ll bend it to fit the stock profile in time.


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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2025, 09:37:36 PM »
Well done, Rich. :o A NEW occupation for you? 8)
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