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Offline maharsb

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Thoughts on what this old rifle is?
« on: June 14, 2025, 05:16:53 AM »
Any thoughts on this old rifle? What style/ where it might be from. Was going to throw a lock, trigger, trigger guard and but plate on it and hang it up in my barn. Would brass or steel be more appropriate or does it even matter? Thought it was neat with the name and date carved into the stock.















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Re: Thoughts on what this old rifle is?
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2025, 05:42:01 PM »
The barrel is probably older than the rest of the gun and appears to have been on more than one rifle. My guess is that the barrel has been restocked at least twice and maybe three times. What you have is the remants of the last stocking of the barrel. This restocking is probably southern and done sometime after 1850. It would be better to display it as is rather than put inappropriate parts on it. It could have had brass or Iron parts, but it may have had a combination of brass and iron. I have seen several rifles of southern origin that had a iron butt plate and a brass trigger guard. It's a nice old relic and deserves to be preserved. Thanks for sharing it with us.
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Re: Thoughts on what this old rifle is?
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2025, 07:16:36 PM »
I agree with Bama in that the barrel has seen at least a couple stocks.
I'm not sure about the lettering on the stock. From the picture I see, T * MRAY * 71898 

Given that it's already a marriage of parts, I'd go ahead and put it back together with old parts, that fit, if you can find them.

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Re: Thoughts on what this old rifle is?
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2025, 07:43:46 PM »
I see T * M * RAY * o71898 and maybe a dot between the 7 and the 1.  Or that "dot" could just be a random gouge.

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Re: Thoughts on what this old rifle is?
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2025, 08:17:17 PM »
It’s T dot M Ray 27 dot 1898 I do not see a dot between the M and Ray or the 2 and the 7

Thanks for the comments,

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Re: Thoughts on what this old rifle is?
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2025, 06:05:41 AM »
i agree with the "southern" assessment, despite not having much to go on. The gun has straight comb and toe lines despite a worn toe that makes it look a little "curved" in that area. That, and the extended square shank on the percussion drum or side lug, suggest a southern gun. It's a rather late gun without a cheekpiece, which helps explain the re-use of an earlier barrel, perhaps more than once from all the scars it exhibits.

If you decide to re-assemble the gun, I suggest mounting it completely in iron, since you have one original iron ramrod pipe. On many "mixed metal" southern guns I've seen, most have major mountings, i.e. butt plate and guard, in hand-forged iron, and the smaller pieces such as ramrod pipes and nose cap made from sheet brass that's easy to work. Since your rifle already has one iron pipe, it suggests to me that it was probably completely iron mounted.

I always thought mixed-metal mounts [iron & brass] were often due to a lack of casting skills in later gunsmiths, but most could fabricate an iron butt plate or guard rather easily, then use easy-to-work sheet brass for the smaller pipes and nose cap to give the gun a little "sparkle." 

Some of these relic or parts-rifles have so completely lost their original identity that, if rebuilt, they still have little value. I can understand wanting to put it in a more presentable condition, but you may want to think about how much time and money you really want to invest in it, since while increasing its value, this one will probably have limited value after restoration.

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