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Offline Justin Urbantas

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Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« on: June 20, 2025, 06:37:46 AM »
How do you guys go about cutting that deep/narrow slot in the stock for the trigger? It's always tricky to not go too wide with it. Thanks

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2025, 01:12:53 PM »
I made a chisel from a 1/16" Parting tool blade. Easy to cut a straight narrow deep hole.

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2025, 03:33:42 PM »
I have had some luck drilling with a slightly under sized drill and then use a hot iron to burn the web between drill holes. Clean up with thin files.

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2025, 03:47:48 PM »
I have had some luck drilling with a slightly under sized drill and then use a hot iron to burn the web between drill holes. Clean up with thin files.
Sounds good. I stab a line with a wide chisel to make sure the drill holes align and don’t wander.
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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2025, 04:28:33 PM »
I drill as mentioned above, use a 5/64” mortising chisel to clean up the inlet. This is also an area where you can actually use the dreaded Dremel tool, and actually get away with it.
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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2025, 04:59:00 PM »
I would suggest using a proper mortice chisel.  You'll have to make or grind one thinner.  Look up how to use a mortice chisel if you're not familiar with this.

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2025, 04:59:58 PM »
I use the same tool I was given more than 50 years ago. It measures.010 wider than the 1/16 pin stock shown with it.

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2025, 05:10:19 PM »
Hmmmmm, I did two 40 years ago but now I can't remember.

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2025, 05:20:42 PM »
I would suggest using a proper mortice chisel.  You'll have to make or grind one thinner.  Look up how to use a mortice chisel if you're not familiar with this.

I'll second Jim's suggestion. A mortising chisel has a deep body, with about 30 degree bevel. The deep body gives enough strength that you can avoid breaking off the tip when cutting mortises. And the depth also helps keep the chisel running straight. These chisels have softer steel than carving chisels, so they are resistant to breaking.
(My carving chisels have more shallow bodies and very hard steel with more shallow bevels of 25 degrees or less, and the tips can break if they are driven in too deep or if any sort of leverage is involved. Cutting a blind mortise like a trigger mortise requires a little leverage action as you scrape out the bottom.)

Paul Sellers has a good video showing his technique for cutting mortises. His vid shows two chisels. One is an old style mortising chisel, designed for cutting deep mortises quickly without breaking. It seems to me that the one he is using is overkill for the size hole he is cutting. I think that's the main reason he struggles with it. It's just too big for the hole. The second one he shows is a carpenters' chisel.  He uses the same technique in both instances, so he isn't meaning to show two techniques. He is just showing that you can use the carpenters' chisel to cut a mortise. Both have a bevel of about 30 degrees.

Two things Paul does not show. One is he doesn't show cutting-in along the length of the mortise. That's not essential for something that's going to be covered up, but it makes for neater work, as it helps avoid tearing the edge. Second is that he does not show measuring the depth of the holes. He doesn't need to do that in this video, as he's cutting the mortise behind glass, so as to show the technique. But if cutting a real blind mortise, some sort of depth gauge is essential, even if it's just a toothpick.


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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2025, 05:37:30 PM »
I use the same tool I was given more than 50 years ago. It measures.010 wider than the 1/16 pin stock shown with it.

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That's a nice little chisel, Daniel.
Small chisels for small holes.

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2025, 07:59:06 PM »
I would suggest using a proper mortice chisel.  You'll have to make or grind one thinner.  Look up how to use a mortice chisel if you're not familiar with this.

I'll second Jim's suggestion. A mortising chisel has a deep body, with about 30 degree bevel. The deep body gives enough strength that you can avoid breaking off the tip when cutting mortises. And the depth also helps keep the chisel running straight. These chisels have softer steel than carving chisels, so they are resistant to breaking.
(My carving chisels have more shallow bodies and very hard steel with more shallow bevels of 25 degrees or less, and the tips can break if they are driven in too deep or if any sort of leverage is involved. Cutting a blind mortise like a trigger mortise requires a little leverage action as you scrape out the bottom.)

Paul Sellers has a good video showing his technique for cutting mortises. His vid shows two chisels. One is an old style mortising chisel, designed for cutting deep mortises quickly without breaking. It seems to me that the one he is using is overkill for the size hole he is cutting. I think that's the main reason he struggles with it. It's just too big for the hole. The second one he shows is a carpenters' chisel.  He uses the same technique in both instances, so he isn't meaning to show two techniques. He is just showing that you can use the carpenters' chisel to cut a mortise. Both have a bevel of about 30 degrees.

Two things Paul does not show. One is he doesn't show cutting-in along the length of the mortise. That's not essential for something that's going to be covered up, but it makes for neater work, as it helps avoid tearing the edge. Second is that he does not show measuring the depth of the holes. He doesn't need to do that in this video, as he's cutting the mortise behind glass, so as to show the technique. But if cutting a real blind mortise, some sort of depth gauge is essential, even if it's just a toothpick.


Interesting Video for sure!! That was educational on the different types of chisels! 1. Mortise 2. Bevel 3. Paring

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2025, 09:45:43 PM »
Thanks for mentioning that observation, Mountainman.
Here's some details that may be helpful, along with some links to photos.

Mortising chisel
Deep-bodied chisel, usually with a relatively high angle cutting bevel (e.g. 30 degrees), designed to be hit with a mallet. (One common antique design for these is called "pig sticker chisel".)
https://www.walmart.com/ip/CROWN-1762-REGISTERED-MORTISING-CHISEL-5-16/149236361?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=564
https://www.jimbodetools.com/products/mint-three-ray-iles-pig-sticker-mortise-chisels-86685

Bevel edge chisel
Bevel all along the length on both sides, and not just on the cutting edge. (The sides are not sharpened.) Usually designed to be tapped with a mallet. Most “carpenters’ chisels” are made in this design, but many chisels sold as “carpenters’ chisels” do not have the bevel all along the length.
https://rlarson.com/shop/woodworking/two_cherries/bevel-edge-chisel-40mm/

Paring chisel
Low angle cutting edge (the article below says 20 or less). Generally designed to be pushed with the hand, rather than hit. Commonly used for trimming cross grain cuts to the final line. Especially useful when cleaning up end grain for joints. For example, on a furniture mortise, you might use a mortising chisel to hog out most of the wood, then use a paring chisel to bring the ends or sides of the mortise to final dimension as you adjust the width of the hole to fit the tenon that will go into it.
https://toolsforworkingwood.com/store/blog/1078/

These chisels all have a flat bottom, so as to make flat, straight cuts. In contrast, carving chisels are often sharpened so as to have at least a very slight radius on the bottom behind the cutting edge, so that they can be brought upward out of the cut. But how to sharpen chisels is another topic for a different thread.

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2025, 10:02:31 PM »
I did grind a very small screw driver into a chisel point for doing barrel tenon inlets. I drilled first and then used the chisel screw driver to clean them up. I imagine something similar would work on triggers slots.

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2025, 12:04:18 AM »
I picked up a nice 3mm mortising chisel. I start by stabbing my start and finish marks (based on the trigger) and join them with a sharp straight chisel then lift that rectangle of wood and proceed to cut left then right until I get the slot deep enough. I usually make it longer inside to allow for trigger swing.

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2025, 01:55:44 AM »
Hi,
Mortising chisels are great.  I use a tiny one when demonstrating early methods.  However, in our shop we first inlet the trigger plate.  Then we use the slot in the trigger plate to align a series of holes punched with an awl.  Then drill those holes to the proper depth.  Finally, we remove the trigger plate and rout between the holes with a 3/32" or 1/8" (depending on the width of the trigger) diameter router bit in a Dremel. The job is done in 5 minutes.  A couple of suggestions.  Don't make the slot too precise to the trigger because swelling wood may interfere with trigger operation.   I've had to fix that on several original guns that over the years the wood moved binding the trigger.  Second, to make trigger rotation feel more precise with less wobble, consider using a large diameter pin for the trigger. Many makers use 1/16" diameter pins.  I have no idea why they do that.  I use 3/32" diameter pins and it works far better plus there is less chance you break that skinny little drill bit when drilling the hole and trigger. I fixed the wobble in a set of L&R set triggers by simply increasing the pin size.

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2025, 05:48:19 AM »

Thanks for sharing about the pin size. Very helpful tips!

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2025, 02:38:58 PM »
I'm going to be a contrarian AGAIN!  I've used 1/16" pins and larger and not seen any difference.  In my opinion, the most important aspect is how the slot is made.  I make slots in two stages.  Most of it has lots of clearance for the trigger.  The deepest little bit is closer and fits the trigger much better in the region around the pin.  Between this and the trigger plate slot, any potential wobble from pin fit is eliminated.  It's a tall ask to rely on a pin of these sizes with thin triggers to prevent wobble regardless of fit level.

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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2025, 08:59:06 PM »
I use and make my mortising chisels for this type of work. I use O-1 tool steel for them. Nothing special and easy to do. Today I will be making one to clean up a deep slot in a curly maple piece of wood for a knife blade (slot is 0.180" X 0.500" x 4.500 deep) - should take 30 to 45 minutes of total time to complete.
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Re: Cutting the trigger slot in the stock??
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2025, 09:09:13 PM »
Justin, I made 2 small chisels out of garbage china flat needle files, one mortice chisel and one for paring the sides if needed. Also aim for a perfect fit between trigger and trigger plate.