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Offline HighUintas

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2025, 05:28:10 PM »
Maybe could mix some neatsfoot oil with just enough beeswax to solidify it so it doesn't soak into the powder?
I don't think "oil soaking into the powder" is anything to be concerned about.  I've used oils for patch lubes for ~40 years, and have been using a chronograph for ~30 years.  In that time I have yet to see any significant velocity loss, even when the rifle was left loaded for as long as a month.  The velocity of the previously-loaded load has always been in the velocity range of the same loads fired on the same day.

Interesting! I can get pure neatsfoot locally, so maybe I'll try it.

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2025, 07:49:03 PM »
I’m not a terrific shooter and it’s not because of lubes. That’s what I tell myself. Target shooters I know use spit patch quite a bit. But I can’t get the best shooters to line my patches that way for me.  ;D

I know slipperiness impacts velocity. After that, I don’t understand why some lubes are better than others IF each lube keeps some consistency across commonly encountered temperatures. I’ve used sunscreen when I had nothing else, for hunting. Loaded nicely.
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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2025, 10:02:44 PM »
I to am sorry to hear T.O.T.W. Mink oil/grease may be coming to an end. When I needed more I simply bought a 12-can case from them. Popped 11 of them in the freezer and I am good for a few years since I mix it 50/50 with Fiebings 100% pure Neatsfoot oil so it lasts a long time.
I do the same with powder. When I get low I buy a case or two (25 or 50 cans) then I don't have to worry. Still using powder I bought for $12.50 a can.
As a substitute for T.O.T.W. mink oil/grease I would buy Fiebings Golden Mink Oil. You can order it directly from their web page. If you want it thinner just mix it 50/50 with their pure Neatsfoot oil. 
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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2025, 11:46:26 PM »
I know slipperiness impacts velocity. After that, I don’t understand why some lubes are better than others IF each lube keeps some consistency across commonly encountered temperatures. I’ve used sunscreen when I had nothing else, for hunting. Loaded nicely.
Other tasks performed by lubes include keeping fouling soft and ensuring bore conditions are consistent shot-to-shot, without contaminating the powder charge.  Some lubes do a better job of that with one powder than another ( e.g. I have problems with the build-up of a hard ring of fouling when shooting Swiss, if the patches are lubed with neatsfoot oil; switching to olive oil will usually "stretch" the number of shots before that happens, but I have to tweak the powder charge a bit to retain the same POI).  But yeah, almost anything even slightly lubricous will work for one shot, or just a few shots. 

V. M. Starr's solution to this in his shotguns was to use dry wads.  After loading the shot but before seating the over-shot wad, he'd spit down the barrel onto the shot.  It worked for him, and still works today (with the added benefit of eliminating the competitors who get the swoons at the very idea!).

I've fired entire aggregates with neatsfoot oil without problems, and it is consistent across a broad temp range.  Olive oil will do about the same.  Jojoba oil works well, but it can be hard to source a consistent product.   Some of the commercial mink-oil leather dressings seem to change occasionally, judging by their melting points.  I know match shooters who swear by Vaseline Intensive Care hand lotion.  Petroleum-based lubes are easily available but tend to cause fouling problems.

Castor oil and cod-liver oil work for match shooting, but I don't use them when hunting.  I've seen deer when they notice the strange scent: their eyes dart around and they get a bit jumpy.   

One things good lubes have in common is consistency and availability.  I mostly use neatsfoot oil because it is generally available, and remarkably consistent.  Same with olive oil, if you use the same brand of "extra-virgin olive oil"; other grades, and between brands, aren't as consistent.

If range conditions are not what you were expecting, and fouling buildup makes it hard to load, you can "tallow" the barrel each shot.  After loading but before firing, run a patch lubed with your patch lube (but a little wetter than usual) on a snug jag down to the ball and back out.  This will give you consistent shot-to-shot bore conditions, but you may want to fire the first tallowed shot as a sighter to see if your POI has changed.   

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2025, 05:39:18 AM »
Well rendered lamb and bison tallow is available online from multiple sources. There are even several sources for lamb, bison, or beef fat chunks from sources like The Bearded Butchers whereby one can double-render their fat into tallow until it is hard, white, and as odor-free as possible.

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2025, 05:57:31 AM »
I am wondering if TOW mink oil is truly pure mink. I have found other sources of 100% pure mink oil online and they are a liquid. It makes me wonder.... How could one have a 100% mink oil that is liquid and another that is 100% pure mink that is solid, even at really warm temperatures?

When I use TOW mink oil, I melt it in a boiler and dip a stack of patches and squeeze out the excess. It cools very quickly on my fingers, burns my fingers after a couple of stacks, and when it cools on my fingers it reminds me of candle wax or possibly bees wax melted and cooled on hands.

Could it be it's actually a mix of some type of wax and mink oil?


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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2025, 06:08:34 AM »
Most "mink oil" these days has nothing to do with minks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mink_oil

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2025, 06:17:46 AM »
Most "mink oil" these days has nothing to do with minks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mink_oil


I know that... But it is a commonly held belief that TOW mink oil is pure mink oil. It says Trappers Pure Mink Oil on the can.... But doesn't give a percentage or anything.

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #33 on: August 18, 2025, 06:25:09 PM »
I don't know if it is pure mink oil or not, but suspect not.
Now, how it is rendered can change it's post cooling texture I  suspect, just as this does with bear oil. Too much heat and all you get is hard(when cold) tallow. Low heat rendering produces more liquid oil.
The auto store here in town called Princess Auto sells a product they call mink oil and it has the same consistency as Track's product. I was going to test it, but haven't gotten around to that, yet.

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #34 on: August 18, 2025, 09:46:45 PM »
Someone earlier mentioned Fiebings Golden Mink sounds very much like T.O.T.W. Mink. You can buy a tin directly from them for less than Track charges. If too thick for winter use Fiebings 100% pure Neatsfoot oil is what I blend into my Track mink. If anyone tries it please post how you like it. I am down to my last 3 or so tins of Mink oil/grease.
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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2025, 12:05:22 AM »
I started using Frontiers with bear oil about a year and a half ago and haven’t looked back.
https://www.bs-bp.com/bearoil.html
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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2025, 07:02:00 AM »
Someone earlier mentioned Fiebings Golden Mink sounds very much like T.O.T.W. Mink. You can buy a tin directly from them for less than Track charges. If too thick for winter use Fiebings 100% pure Neatsfoot oil is what I blend into my Track mink. If anyone tries it please post how you like it. I am down to my last 3 or so tins of Mink oil/grease.

I looked up the golden mink oil and it's SDS shows it has a good bit of petroleum and other stuff, so I decided to not be the first to try it. I am not sure, but I think I created that asphalt like surface in my barrel once from leaving too much rust inhibitor in there before starting to shoot. Not sure, but seemed like it and took 3m pad to get out. So... I want to make sure I'm not using a petroleum product on my patches unless someone else verifies it's ok haha.

I did some researching and yes I think it's possible to render mink fat to be just like the TOW tallow is. Wish I had a few mins to test it out.

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2025, 07:03:32 AM »
I started using Frontiers with bear oil about a year and a half ago and haven’t looked back.
https://www.bs-bp.com/bearoil.html
Bob

How tight if a patch and ball combo do you use and do you swab between at all? The problem I ran into with the frontier is that it doesn't go down as easily. It sort of goes, then wants to stick. Then goes. Then sticks. Not as smooth as the mink. If I can figure that issue out, then I'll only use that.

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2025, 08:37:45 PM »
I started using Frontiers with bear oil about a year and a half ago and haven’t looked back.
https://www.bs-bp.com/bearoil.html
Bob

How tight if a patch and ball combo do you use and do you swab between at all? The problem I ran into with the frontier is that it doesn't go down as easily. It sort of goes, then wants to stick. Then goes. Then sticks. Not as smooth as the mink. If I can figure that issue out, then I'll only use that.
I’ve had no problems like that. I’ve only used the lube he makes with bear oil, never tried his other one. I run a pretty tight patch and can shoot my little .29 or .32 a whole match (20-25 shots), without wiping. Though I usually do after 10 shots or so out of habit, I have shot matches without wiping.
The first shot goes down pretty tight, but the rest go pretty smooth. Maybe it’s my getting older brain, but the rifle seems to clean easier, also.
I prepared my patches the way Ethan Yazel does in his video, melt a glob in an Altoids tin, completely soak a few patches, then squeeze out a stack in a paper towel.
To be fair, I never tried Tracks mink lube though I do have a tin of it. Just never got around to using it.

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2025, 08:59:23 PM »
Try it Bob. I used it in my .32 with a .320" pure lead ball and 10 ounce (.021") denim patch. The first one down a clean barrel was the hardest down, then the next 54 or so loaded more easily than the first. No need to wipe as the bore was cleaned each time a ball was seated. I didn't even need to use a short starter as that little soft ball was easily pressed into the muzzle with a choked-up rod, then shoved down onto the powder.
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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2025, 11:55:35 PM »
After years of not paying attention to it, I've come to really like Track's Mink Oil as a cold weather hunting lube.  By cold weather, I mean 20 degrees F or lower.  But having skinned quite a few mink, I don't know how they can get enough fat off the carcass to render or process enough material for the commercial product, unless there's a lot of other additives.  I assume that "domestic" mink from fur farms carry more fat.

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2025, 03:32:46 AM »
I've used Track's mink oil in -20C and it got impossible to load after a few shots. I don't know if I oversaturated them.

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2025, 06:35:20 AM »
I've used Track's mink oil in -20C and it got impossible to load after a few shots. I don't know if I oversaturated them.

Same here. I don't know what the temp was ... Maybe 15-20F... After one or two shots I couldn't load anymore

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2025, 07:51:09 PM »
Holding the patch between finger and thumb will liquid the lube.
-20C is -2F or -3F IIRC.
I used Neetsfoot ot Track's Mink oil for hunting moose down to -50F. I loaded the .69cal. Rifle in the "cabin", then went hunting moose. My second and third shots, if necessary were in paper ctgs. in my parka pocket. I carried my round capper in my top left parka pocket with a leather thong attached to it. I.practsed with these and could fire an aimed (moose are big) second shot 8 seconds after the first patched shot. My paper ctgs. had the same poi AND accuracy as a cloth patched ball.
Forum member Stricklin(I think) found my style of paper ctgs. worked all the way down to .54 cal.
Thus. There is a cold weather solution that works for freezing temperatures.
Daryl

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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2025, 09:28:28 PM »
I bought some "Mermac" mink oil the other day at Boot Barn.  It is white and says on the container that it is "Compounded from natural oils".  I google it up and the AI said the following.

Mink Oil: The base ingredient, providing conditioning and protection for leather.
Tallow: Another animal oil that is included in the blend to meet various user requirements.
Beeswax: Added to the product to increase flexibility in low temperatures and to help retain waterproofing while allowing leather to breathe.

It is soft enough to just wipe your patch on it. Not cheap. It cost $14.99 for 8 ounces.  I have about 25 patches lube up with it to try. I'll shoot some in my 58 to see if they hold up. Made in USA.

Bob



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Re: Track of the Wolf Trapper’s Mink Oil
« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2025, 12:35:46 AM »
I bought some "Mermac" mink oil the other day at Boot Barn.  It is white and says on the container that it is "Compounded from natural oils".  I google it up and the AI said the following.

Mink Oil: The base ingredient, providing conditioning and protection for leather.
Tallow: Another animal oil that is included in the blend to meet various user requirements.
Beeswax: Added to the product to increase flexibility in low temperatures and to help retain waterproofing while allowing leather to breathe.

It is soft enough to just wipe your patch on it. Not cheap. It cost $14.99 for 8 ounces.  I have about 25 patches lube up with it to try. I'll shoot some in my 58 to see if they hold up. Made in USA.

Bob



Thanks for that information. Their FAQ page has this information. Given it has no petroleum products, it might be the best alternative if the beeswax content is low enough.