Author Topic: Original Jaegerrifle missing Lock! (Read 2430 times)

runastav · « **on:** July 25, 2025, 06:05:25 PM »

Hi all!
Think the nazi remove the lock in WW2 as a usless gun >:(Well, it must have a lock. So I must build one from scrath using a original as a patteren. Innside parts could I order from USA but as we speak now it will be much to expensive and take long time

Runar

HSmithTX · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2025, 06:23:35 PM »

Looks like a rifle well worth fixing. I look forward to seeing it done!!

Rolf · « **Reply #2 on:** July 26, 2025, 09:17:48 AM »

Hi Runar, great looking rifle! I look forward to following the lock building process.

Best regards
Rolf

Pukka Bundook · « **Reply #3 on:** July 26, 2025, 04:01:10 PM »

Lovely rifle to restore, Runar, and we know you are up to the task!

Look forward to your progress reports!

Curtis · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2025, 08:33:36 AM »

I am looking forward to seeing you build the replacement lock! Nice rifle, it will be a great service to fix this gun!

Curtis

alacran · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2025, 03:38:46 PM »

Hello Runar, you can order the Davis lock internals for their Hawken lock. I checked Track's website; they have all the internal parts in stock.
Looking at the lock mortise in your rifle it looks like a linked mainspring to tumbler setup. I'm sure you could make a Germanic looking hammer to go with it.
In Shumway's Hawken book there is a very similar Jaeger on the Suhl section pages 130 - 132.

Bob Roller · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2025, 04:22:39 PM »

I think I have done two jobs like this........maybe.Once the plate is fit and the hole for the tumbler is established then it's a down hill slide on the mechanism.That is a good looking rifle and certainly worth the effort it takes to restore it.Please keep us in the loop.
Bob Roller

runastav · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2025, 07:56:31 PM »

Hi all, and thank you guys! Ok, now the lock plate is seated. My old RUMAG mill in work

I use a lock from a nice cal 40" made by Johann Nepomuk Rein from Germany.The geometri is near identisk and a litle from a Colcher Leman lock.
Runar

runastav · « **Reply #8 on:** July 30, 2025, 12:05:38 PM »

Hi all! Bridle made, must fit inside inside mortise! Made from angle iron

Runar

Pukka Bundook · « **Reply #9 on:** July 30, 2025, 03:33:30 PM »

Very clever work, Runar.
I had not thought of using angle iron!!

smylee grouch · « **Reply #10 on:** July 30, 2025, 05:18:23 PM »

Great project and work so far. There is no dought in my mind that you have the imagination and fabrication skills too for a top shelf job.

runastav · « **Reply #11 on:** August 02, 2025, 02:58:57 PM »

Hi and thank you guys! Tumbler in progress

Runar

runastav · « **Reply #12 on:** August 06, 2025, 09:47:15 PM »

Hi all! So its the sear

Runar

Bob Roller · « **Reply #13 on:** August 06, 2025, 11:40:17 PM »

Slot the tumbler arm for the mainspring link and install the link.Set the tumbler at fill cock and position the mainspring and then mark the plate where the pin on the top limb will go and drill it.The link must be as far back as possible to get a smooth action in the lock'
Bob Roller

Daryl · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2025, 12:41:22 AM »

Runar, I have always marveled at your skill & innovations that work well with conventional tools.
In looking at your tumbler, the 1/2 cock notch appears to be a very weak "hold", or safety to me, due to the very thin material underneath the sear.
Seems to me it would take very little pressure or wear, to fire from the 1/2 bent position.

Bob Roller · « **Reply #15 on:** August 07, 2025, 12:48:55 AM »

NO half cock can be considered as a "safety" and any of these can be defeated by a hard squeeze on the trigger.
They will hold against the pressure of the mainspring used in the lock and nothing more.

Bob Roller

runastav · « **Reply #16 on:** August 08, 2025, 02:39:37 PM »

Hi all and thank you, off corse Bob Roller have right

Set trigger, must have a FLY its a helvet to make @!*%?& :-\The original is just beautiful made!!!!!
Runar

Bob Roller · « **Reply #17 on:** August 08, 2025, 04:11:07 PM »

Looking good,I have never tried to put a fly between the tumbler and plate and always used the bridle to capture it.I have looked at the locks seen on Swiss 10.4mm muzzle loaders and none had a two position tumbler.Full cock or all the way down and a very strong main
spring that guaranteed a a shot if the cap was good.Please keep sending your progress on this restoration and that IS a good looking rifle.

Bob Roller

Curtis · « **Reply #18 on:** August 10, 2025, 07:01:55 AM »

VERY nice job on that tumbler and fly!

Curtis

Bob Roller · « **Reply #19 on:** August 10, 2025, 09:24:25 PM »

That fly is harder to do because the tumbler mainshaft interferes with small end mill.I have a vague memory of doing a complete lock replacement and couldn't get paid until I threatened to take the gun to a pawn shop and getting whatever I could for it.This had to be about 1963 and my "shop" was an enclosed back porch that is now our laundry room.Runar,thanks for reviving an old memory

.There were several "gunsmiths"here then but none wanted anything to do with a muzzle loader and to insist on being paid for that kind of work was unheard of.I remember getting calls that asked "Do you fool with guns?"and my answer was "NO,that's dangerous"and hang up.
Bob Roller

AllenNewberry · « **Reply #20 on:** August 11, 2025, 03:53:44 PM »

Cool build! Glad to see you making the missing lock!

runastav · « **Reply #21 on:** August 13, 2025, 01:50:16 PM »

Hi all, and thank you guys! Link made from a kvalitets old screw(BMW car) Lucky me, find a original main spring

Runar

runastav · « **Reply #22 on:** August 20, 2025, 12:12:18 PM »

Hi all! Hammer start

Runar

Adrie luke · « **Reply #23 on:** August 20, 2025, 01:03:30 PM »

Runar

You are growing too, the lock looks great

runastav · « **Reply #24 on:** August 22, 2025, 02:55:33 PM »

Hi all, and thank you Adrie!(I think I hold me to full size build

) Done!
Runar

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