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Offline Mattox Forge

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British Military powder horns for Baker and other rifles.
« on: August 30, 2025, 09:33:00 PM »
I am posting this for reference, as I sort of hijacked a WTB page. I thought it might be useful in the future for someone.

These are British Military issue horns I have. The top three are marked with an issue number. The fourth is the type issued during the American revolution, which was really an artillery priming horn that was used until pretty much the end of muzzle loaded artillery. The last is a Percy Tenantry issue horn.



The first and third are nearly identical designs and are marked with a company letter and a rack number, so I think these two were used by one of the 95th Rifle regiment Battalions.







The second one is an upgraded version of a type used in the American revolution. The base is very similar to some used in that war with the non-metering spout like that used on the gunner's horn.
It seems to have a half charge measure, whereas the other two throw a charge around the standard 4 dram charge. I think this one was for a volunteer unit, since it only has a rack number, and being as a volunteer unit generally only had a single Rifle company, no letter would have been necessary. It might have been for a unit like the Duke of Brunswick Corps, which only had a single Rifle company. There were a plethora of volunteer Rifle units though.



Comparing the measures of the "volunteer" (lower) and "regular" (upper) horns.



Artillery gunner's horn used by rifle equipped troops during the American Revolution.



Original Percy Tenantry horn missing its locking spring though.



Hugh Percy, 2nd Duke of Northumberland' mark



Comparison of the original to the Rifle Shoppe castings.



Note the original was sheet brass, so a lot of thinning needs to happen to the casting.



It is also interesting that the horn's seem to have been carried with a short strap or chain. Perhaps it was locked around the cartridge box? Two of these have such a strap method and they seem original. I have seen photos of other similarly equipped.

Mike

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Re: British Military powder horns for Baker and other rifles.
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2025, 06:12:40 AM »
Great photos and info! Thanks.

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Re: British Military powder horns for Baker and other rifles.
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2025, 03:59:06 PM »
Those are pretty cool! With the measure attached to the horn, did they pour directly into the muzzle?,,,LK
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Re: British Military powder horns for Baker and other rifles.
« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2025, 04:24:37 PM »
Those are pretty cool! With the measure attached to the horn, did they pour directly into the muzzle?,,,LK

Yes. The top three are of the design I believe were originally sold as safety flasks on the commercial market. The military was fairly quick to adopt them apparently. The large bottom one is an earlier design

They have a brass shutter that is spring loaded into the closed position. You put your finger over the opening, turn the flask upside-down, and push the shutter open with your thumb using the brass lever next to the charger, and the charger is filled up. You then let the shutter close and turn the flask rightside up.you can now pour the charge into the muzzle. I belive these were invented in Britain in the late 18th century. These are early 1800's examples.

The large bottom one is the scoop type (Irish?) that has a brass cup inside of a tube mounted on the flask. There is a catch (that is missing on my example), that retains the cup in the tube. You were supposed to take the cup out and fill it from the flask, and then use the cup to dump the powder into the muzzle.

The last one just has a spring loaded cover with a lever. You had to come up with your own charger. This was  really an artillery priming horn pressed into service by the British as a rifle powder horn during the Revolution to equip their rifle armed light infantrymen. The same pattern was used as a cannon primer up until the end of muzzle loaded cannons in service.

Mike

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Re: British Military powder horns for Baker and other rifles.
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2025, 04:47:00 AM »
Very interesting.  thanks for posting.

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Re: British Military powder horns for Baker and other rifles.
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2025, 10:04:24 PM »
Yes, I am familiar with those "safety" flasks, not rely sure if they would close tight enough  to stop a flash!! And I wouldn't want to find out!
Ed Hamberg