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sailors horn possibly from a whaling ship
« on: October 04, 2025, 03:22:41 AM »
I've had this horn a number of years but could find no record of me posting it here. If I have please forgive the repeat performance.This is a large New England horn 17 inches with nice mellow yellow color. There are rosewood pegs holding the butt plug in place.At one time there was a staple on the side of the plug to hold a strap. The holes are still there. The horn has several what I call distelfink birds carved in different places.There are  varying kinds of fish and a mermaid with a comb in her hands. There is a ship with a mast and off to the side is a boat with seven men . A line goes from the boat to a large fish (whale) where the harpoon has stuck him there is another line with a drag on it. I'm not sure if this horn was finished . It has borders around two spaces where a name,date,place or saying could go but was never added.  The small boat is hard to see because of some damage next to it.   Comments and questios are welcome.   Jim




















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Re: sailors horn possibly from a whaling ship
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2025, 03:45:17 AM »
That really has it all. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: sailors horn possibly from a whaling ship
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2025, 04:19:59 AM »
Your horn is a fascinating New England horn [faceted throat, soft wood plug, sea images] with intriguing artwork. My thoughts come from someone who has "dabbled" in scrimshaw over the years but not deeply. I doubt the carver was ever on a whaling vessel and probably had never seen an actual whale, but he lived close enough to the whaling area that he heard all the stories... and tried to show a whaling "adventure" on the horn. Had he been a whaler, the depictions of the whales would have been significantly different, more like an actual whale [probably flatter nose, larger tail, fewer but larger fins], instead of just oversized fish. The mermaid holding a comb for her hair was a common theme, although this one "almost" looks like it started out as another whale, and the carver suddenly decided he would rather have a mermaid on the horn than another whale.

I may be a bit off, but when I see a strongly New England horn like this, but with a more rounded butt plug and some inland figures mixed in such as the long vine and various birds, I think the horn was made farther inland, away from the coast, where hunting was more important. They used whale oil as most New Englanders did, but weren't near to, or actively involved in whaling... just knew it was an important industry that represented New England to most Americans. Perhaps he made the horn for a retired sailor who wanted to remember his glory days whaling on the endless oceans, but the old salt couldn't accurately describe what whales and whaling scenes looked like... but got close and left the carver to work from second-hand knowledge.

Despite not being signed, the carving is too good to be the only horn the carver ever made, which makes me believe it was a semi-professional horn made for someone else.

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Re: sailors horn possibly from a whaling ship
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2025, 04:16:31 AM »
Beautiful horn.  Ships, fish, mermaids (with a comb), were all common themes.  I have pictures of an original with those features plus a sea serpent and multiple coastal towns.  Thanks for sharing.

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Re: sailors horn possibly from a whaling ship
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2025, 12:27:03 AM »
Jeff Thank you for your comments on the horn. I'm glad you like it .

Shelby, Thank you for your comments and insight. I'm not sure I'm completely on board with your theory though. Sense this was made twohundred plus years ago with little information and lack of another one by this maker. In my opinion its difficult to say if it was made on board ship or not. I would guess there were a fare amount of horns made in harbor towns with whaling themes . Sense whaling was so important to the region I would  think most people were familiar with what a whale looked like. I'm guessing this guy although a interesting carver (not his first horn) was not the best artist. The depiction of the fish, mermaid and whale tell that story. This may have been as close to a whale as he could get.
I have looked at a ton  of powder horn books for another by this carver but have come up empty. I thought his use of the circles and half circles with the dots might help in comming up with something . I have enjoyed this horn and found it interesting.It's nice otheres see the beauty in it also.   Jim
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Re: sailors horn possibly from a whaling ship
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2025, 01:30:38 AM »
I think it is quite charming. Thanks for sharing it.

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Re: sailors horn possibly from a whaling ship
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2025, 05:52:13 AM »
Jim,

When the carver's other figures on the horn surface are studied such as ships, birds, vines, etc., he was capable of reproducing items he had seen reasonably well. His ability with those figures, but glaring lack of ability with whales, strongly suggests he had never seen a whale or even images of whales... which suggests he was never on a whaling ship, and probably not close enough to coastal villages where whaling ships ported to visit them, since those villages would have images of whales in public places such as taverns, newspapers, local scrimshawed items that were more common back then, etc. His ability to carve other figures reasonably well, but his inability to do so with whales, is a good indication he had never seen a whale or been around whalers. He probably just knew they were "big fish."

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Re: sailors horn possibly from a whaling ship
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2025, 06:02:35 PM »
What a great horn. Thanks for sharing it. From what I know, which isn’t much, not all whales were hunted from whaling ships at sea. Some were hunted in small boats launched from shore when the whale was spotted and close enough to row out to. Some were even just washed into range and were deemed specific property. Nantucket had scavenging type laws determining who owned rights to such whales. I could see someone familiar with those types of whaling making a horn like that. I don’t know why a whaler at sea would need a horn though actually. I don’t think they had personal fire arms generally or a need for powder?
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Re: sailors horn possibly from a whaling ship
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2025, 07:58:27 PM »
Thanks  Tim,  Perhaps I should have titled this thread different. Fish and ships or nautical themed horn would have been more appropriate.I always heard about sailors passing away there time making horns . If there is a documented one I don't remember reading about it.I believe there were documented whale bone & teeth  scrimshad on board ship. I'm guessing most of this type  of powder horn were made on dry land in towns and ports along the coast.
I thought this may have been made by a professional maker who sold or traded his work. If so , a well populated city or port would offer a bigger customer base.  I'm glad you like it. Thanks  for the insight on whaling.  Jim
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