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Offline Sandro_ventania

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How to test frizen ?
« on: January 07, 2026, 04:50:22 AM »
Friends, how can I tell if the frizen is at the right firmness? Too soft or too hard, I believe, would interfere with the sparks, wouldn't it? How could I test if it's at the right point? I tempered it at 190°C.

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Re: How to test frizen ?
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2026, 04:53:27 AM »
Friends, how can I tell if the frizen is at the right firmness? Too soft or too hard, I believe, would interfere with the sparks, wouldn't it? How could I test if it's at the right point? I tempered it at 190°C.
First I test to see it actually hardened properly. A fine file should slide across the surface leaving no scratches after the hardening step. If not, tempering is pointless. Let’s assume it was glass hard and then you tempered it. It should still not be scratched significantly with fine file.
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Re: How to test frizen ?
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2026, 05:20:28 PM »
The ultimate test is how it performs in the lock.

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Re: How to test frizen ?
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2026, 06:57:49 PM »
Hi Sandro,
A lot depends on the alloy of steel but 190 degrees C should work for tempering and I would heat it at that temperature for about 1 hour.  Then it is a good idea to polish up the frizzen and using a propane or butane torch, heat just the arm and toe that rubs on the spring to  315 degrees C which is a deep blue color.  Keep water in a spray bottle to cool the battery and pan cover if the blue migrates toward it. 



Then touch the face of the frizzen to a belt sander or sanding drum and it should produce a great quantity of bright orange to white hot sparks. 

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Offline Robert Roller

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Re: How to test frizen ?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2026, 08:29:14 PM »
Hudnut is right.Rest it on the lock and see what happens.I have had results that range from poor and others were good but not ONE modern lock have I ever seen that fires like the old Mantons that make a sizzling sound and a white ball of sparks IN the pan.They were the ultimate in scrape and spark ignition systems but were replaced by the impact sensitive caps.
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Re: How to test frizen ?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2026, 03:24:10 AM »
The lock is producing sparks... but not as many as I think it should. I have no experience whatsoever... this is the first lock I'm building... I've never even touched one before. So I'm just using internet videos and what I learn from you guys. The steel used is 1095. What is more detrimental to sparking... steel that is too hard or too soft?

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Re: How to test frizen ?
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2026, 08:50:44 AM »
Why does the amount of sparks matter? As long as you're getting sparks falling into the pan each time that's all you need.   Al
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Re: How to test frizen ?
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2026, 10:47:10 AM »
The amount of sparks will depend in part on how many little sharp points on the edge of the flint hit the frizzen, and this will vary as the frizzen wears, will vary from flint to flint. But the frizzen flint does have to have sharp points. If it is dull, then it will not make many sparks. Changing small details like the length of the flint and whether the bevel of the flint is up or down can also make a difference in how well the flint works. By the way, flints can be resharpened. So, if your flint is dull, don't throw it away. Just ask on here how to sharpen it.

Be sure that the flint is slid all the way into the jaws, so that it sits against the top jaw screw. Use leather folded around the flint to help the jaws grip the flint, but cut a little hole in the middle of the leather so that the flint can slide back and sit against the top jaw screw. That helps all the energy from the strike go into making sparks. If, instead, you have a cushion of leather behind the flint, then the leather will soften the strike. You don't want that. Cutting a little hole in the leather can help a lot.

It can be helpful to test a frizzen in dim light, almost dark, so that you can see the sparks. I also find it helpful to make a short video in dim light, using my phone, and then look at the video frame by frame. That helps me see exactly how the sparks are falling. You want the majority of them to fall into the pan.

CORRECTED TYPO:  frizzen flint
Sorry for any confusion!
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Re: How to test frizen ?
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2026, 03:57:40 AM »
Thank you to everyone who shared their opinions with me. After a few more tests, it seems everything is fine. I put the powder in the pan and it lit almost every time.


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Re: How to test frizen ?
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2026, 07:26:50 AM »
Have you seen the lock building thread in the tutorial section of this forum?
There is quite a lot of information there. There are a couple of other threads associated
with lock making there too.

https://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=26825.0

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Re: How to test frizen ?
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2026, 07:42:25 AM »
Thank you to everyone who shared their opinions with me. After a few more tests, it seems everything is fine. I put the powder in the pan and it lit almost every time.



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