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General discussion => Gun Building => Topic started by: runastav on April 19, 2014, 08:05:30 PM
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Hi Folks!
I build my Wooden Iowa Rifling Bench in 2009 after the book written by Steve Bookout. It is ca 2 years since last time I use it, and now before use there is some repers before rifling.Worm groove epoxy using popsicle sticks see photo ;) Have a thick walled pipe that I hooned ready the smooth bore is ca 457"and Steve send me some hickory sticks and rifling bits so now I am waiting for a "sub-teenager for power" hehe!
Runar
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Again everyone will be watching as another of your projects takes off. I think I speak for alot of people when I say we look forward to your projects. Have fun and please keep us posted.
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Hi all and thank you smylee grouch!
I have only used my Rifling bench so far rifling big bores. And then use riflerod 10mm dia, for smaller calibers I must use a 8mm riflerod. So the 8mm rod is finish and have brass sleve up to 10mm for tail stock all is done like Bookie say ;)The cutter bit from Bookie only neds a litle adjusting and then ready for inlaying into the rifling head.
Runar
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Dang Metric system ;), so convert 10mm and 8mm to a caliber please. ;D I would like to see it in action. I'll take a .40 caliber please.
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james e,
One millimeter is .0394.A 10MM is .394.
Bob Roller
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I use this conversion so much, it's memorized.
millimeters x .03937 = inches
Inches /.03937 = millimeters
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Thanks! 10mm looks like it would work for a .40 caliber.
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Runar,
Looking good. I have helped Bookie do some rifling and even did a barrel for my wife's gun. The methods work well. I have even played the sub teenage power part turning the wheel for the boring machine and drill. That old man and Don worked my tail off cranking the bits to get a barrel to dead on .50 cal one night in the garage. I think they had a plan before I got there.
Are you pushing or pulling the rifling cut?
What are you using for cutting lube?
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Runar,
We will need pictures of the curly chips and wires from the cut. ;D
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Hi and thank you folks!
Angus lucky you work with bookie himself :) I use Rapeseed oil as cutting lube, and the rifle cut is cut in the pulling. Todays rifling was a success, my buddy AJ did well as power hehe! But he must let the beard groow longer ;)
Runar
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AJ as power!
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Sweet!! Very nice rifleing there!
Curtis
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Great stuff runastav, thanks for sharing!!!!
Robby
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That sure does look good! nice an crisp!.
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Runar,
Great job on rifling.
Did you count the strokes? How deep is the groove? Did the back of the rifling head hickory hold wear ok?
Looks like AJ has some fancy britches that are appropriate to rifle making. And yes, he needs more beard.
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Hi and thank you!
Angus, no count the stroke. Half way in the rifling I inspect the cutter bit, hmmm it have a high tooth so only this work :( I adjust all 4 same hight and then it work grait! So all in all we use 24 strips paper after adjusting the theeths maby 6-7 paper before it take again you comprende me?
The bore before rifling ca 458" after rifling in the rifles ca 475" Time rifling etc ca 3 hour :)Hickory work very well
Runar
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Runar,
I comprehend. It can be tricky getting paper shims down in the hickory to stay in place. Very good timing at 3 hours.
What will the style of rifle be the barrel will go in?
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Hi all! Angus, maybe a longrifle mounten poor boy rifle ?
I have a lot of work swamping the barrel in my oooold milling maskin, blank before swamping 3,8 Kg and after 2,3 Kg
Runar
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Thanks for sharing these informative pictures. I have also one rifle and wants to make a rifle bench. To make a rifle bench we should have some working knowldge so I ma planning to hire some expert who have knowldge about this field.
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Runar, is that a Damascus blank? If so, where to they come from?
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Hi all and thank you!
aka california addillone, no it is thick walled steel pipe sorry no Damascus ;) Try here www.peterdyson.co.uk
Runar
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These things, used right will really cut a nice barrel and this one looks great.
Dan
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Beautiful work Mr.Ragnar! ;D Can you tell me about the steel you used? It looks like thick walled steam line. Shelby tubing maybe?
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Beautiful work Mr.Ragnar! ;D Can you tell me about the steel you used? It looks like thick walled steam line. Shelby tubing maybe?
Runar asked me to explain. It is a true seamless thickwalled hydrolic tubing. There are no welded seams. A solid billet of steel is pirced and drawn hot over a mandrel. This is the same type of tubing Blackley has been using for over 30 years to make barrels. These barrels have proofed by official proofing houses in England. The tubing comes in 5 meter lengths.
Best regards
Rolf
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Great looking work. Thanks for documenting all so well.
I look forward to future posts. The rifling is beautiful.
Thanks again, Chris de France, PLS.
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Hei Runar! The teeth in that barrel look very good. Glad the hickory ram rod scraps and cutter bits worked out for you. Did Angus tell you that he is working on a chunk gun with a 5 foot barrel?
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Hi Blackpowder Friends!
Rolf and I got 2 smoothbore barrels from Charles Burton, one Cal 58" for Rolf and a Cal 40" for me :) The barrels are very nice, and now my subteenager friend Alf Jostein and me have rifle the cal 40. Rifling is fun if you have a subteenager as power hehe ;) We find the small caliber more diffiqult than bigger, and some problem there was. But the end result was not bad the rifle depth is ca 005". I think I will build a East Tennessee Squirrel Rifle like Bookie says :) barrel lenght is 44"
Runar
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Alf Jostein stiring, hmmmm ok he think ;)
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And me stiring hmmm ok me think ;)
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Runastav, Does your Burton barrel have the .003 tapered bore?
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Hi all!
flinchrocket-Yes it has tapered bore says Charles Burton :)
Runar
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Nice job Runastav. Make a good ekorn / spider killer !
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:)Land Ahoy!!
Looking good Runar!
Aj
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Hei Runar. Are you going to make the breech plug & tang for this project?
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Thank you for sharing....sounds like the start of some great rifles!
Marc n tomtom
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Hi All! and thank you!
Bookie, yes I will make one it must have looong tang?
Runar
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Neat little hole in that barrel, runastav. Give my regards to Alf. A man with a decent momentum for pulling those grooves ;-)
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Hi all Blackpowderfriends!
Thank you JJ. My friend Rolf came over and we rifle his Charles Burton barrel, cal 58 and loooong ca 48-3/4" :) The cutter bit on this one use 7 teeths and Rolf made ca 1000 cuts and we use 18 papershims.
Runar
Rolf in work
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Rolf chek the result, hmmmm nice
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Me chek hmmmm nice
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Well done, Runar and Rolf. the rifling in the .58 looks to me to be about .010". Nice and sharp, grooves slightly wide than the lands.
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Those barrels look great from over here. I can hardly wait for the gun building . Thanks for keeping us posted. Happy Easter. ;D
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Runar, I really enjoy your posts. Nice photos of great work. Rolf, have you started on the matched pair from the board you bought from me?
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Hi all!
flinchrocket-Yes it has tapered bore says Charles Burton :)
Runar
Oh boy, I can see it now, Burton barrels hand rifled in Norway, buy them now while they are hot ;D
Dennis
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I have a question....will ALL barrels be the same twist because of the twist on the machine??? so a 54 would have the same twist as a 45, or 35cal???? would that make a difference in shooting???
marc n tomtom
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Runar, you do excellent work my man.And your photos are killer! Keep up the good work and post plenty of photos along the way.
topknot
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Hi Guys!
My buddy Rolf(Doc) wisit us and we do job for him. First we rifle his Charles Burton barrel cal 54 and 33" lenght.Turned out wery nice, we use 25 paper shims and Rolf work the rifler 1760 times ;)
Runar
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Rolf in work
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This time I adjust the barrel hight wery careful, and thats the ting
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Rolf check his barrel, and is wery satisfied
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And me to
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Nice ha?
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Runar,
You and Rolf need to visit Historic Toad Hall . We will put you to work! :o ;D
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Seems like time and elbow grease well spent, runastav and Rolf :-)
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Hi and thank you guys!
Try to fix the photos but me no good phhuu
Runar
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I see you are using your wife's toothbrush to clean the cutter. Does she object or have you told her yet?
Roger B.
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Hyshh Roger dont tell her hehehe ;)
Runar
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Where is Rolf's beard?
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Hei Runar! The teeth in that barrel look as if they could take a bite right out of your leg (or higher up). Excellent work you've done again and the rifling bench looks like it's wearing in well. The sub-teenager for power is the only way to go. You do need to visit Toad Hall like Tim suggests. Come when he is here and we'll hammer some barrels together.
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Where is Rolf's beard?
My wife insists I shave :'(.
Best regards
Rolf
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Hi Guys!
Steve we like to but you know :-[Ok, now we rifle my Norwegian Style Box Barrel cal 50. 44" long made by Charles Burton. Rolf is gone home, so this time I use my sub-teenager buddy Bjørn as the worker(JAN) We use 15 papershims and Bjørn travel 1652 times in ca 3 hours ;)The barrel turn out wery nice we think see last photo
Runar
Rolf and mine barrel
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Box Barrel ready for rifling
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Sub-Teenager Bjørn in work
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Almost done :)
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Me cheking, hmm wery nice
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Bjørn, oaahoo
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Nice ha!
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Sweet as candy, old Rusty :-)
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Runar,
Very nice rifling. Your worker is production ready. Let us know when you are taking orders. ;D
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Hei Runar!
It's a pleasure to see you and your cohorts use that rifling bench and use it so well. Such precision work with wooden tooling speaks volumes about your craftsmanship and serves as an inspiration for other builders. I do enjoy the series of photos because it's like reading a good book--you look forward to reading the next chapter. Mvh
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Hei.
Snakker vi kassepipebygging nå?
Det er jo ei av drømmebøssene hos undertegnede :-) ;D
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Hi all! And thank you Bookie and krutnarr
Yes it will be a flintlock boxbarrel gun, but just now I have fun with my # 2 Starr revolver, rolling block pistols etc ;)
Runar
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Hi All!
Me and Rolf the doc rifle his Charles Burton cal 50- 30" long, IIIcecold in my garage me freesing but Sub-teenager Rolf dont >:(
20 papershims and 1547 travels. Rifling turnes out good! See the small red eggboilingclock on Rolfs left side we use as a Counter tahnk you Bookie ;)
Runar
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Fine job.You and I both make chips and shavings with the barrel or lock
being a by product.That milling operation looks very fragile to me.The long
and unsupported shank of the end mill looks like a problem ready to happen.
Anyhow,keep on posting what you are doing.
Bob Roller
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Runar, every time you get a new "sub- teenager" he looks older ;). Really good post !! You always have neat things to post! Good Work!!! Nate
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Outstanding!!! Runar, Rolf and Bjorn, you have achieved another level of success.
This is a familiar scene that recently happen at Bookie's shop too. Tim and Jeff blew in from the northern snow range of Wisconsin for Jeff's first taste of rifling.
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Very good work and a grand rifling set-up Runar!
I had never seen this tread until today.
All the best,
Richard.
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Hi and thank you all!Angus, give Greetings to Bookie from me :)
Runar
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Those barrels look great Runastav. I find this fascinating, being able to actually make and rifle a gun barrel with a relatively low tech manually operated tool. It's actually something that I think I would enjoy doing. Like I don't have enough things to waste time on already :P
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Runar,
Now Bookie is going to want to rifle more barrels!
Tim
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Hi Guys, and thank you Iktomi and tim Crowe! So we rifled nr 10 this time I motivated my yongest teenager son Martin(Øhh he is 31) to be my helper. Normaly his interests is football etc! The barrel is 45" long cal 50 made by Charles Burton and is light swamped. I will use the barrel for a Gillespie Rifle.We use 18 papershims, and Martin travel ca 1500 times forword and backwards!
Runar
(https://preview.ibb.co/mvk6Xf/DSCN3290.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dwMPJL)
ammonium sulphide formula (https://aluminumsulfate.net/ammonium-sulfate)
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mind without fear by rabindranath tagore (https://poetandpoem.com/analysis-mind-without-fear-rabindranath-tagore)
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That looks great! The grooves look wide, which I like. What is the tooth count on your cutter? (Teeth per inch or centimeter). It looks very aggressive, but results look great.
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Thank you Rich Pierce! The cutter is 1-1/4" long 8 teeth. The cutter base is 2,5mm wide which I like :)
Runar
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Lovely work, Runar!
I made my cutter from an old file, and for some reason rounded the tooth a little on the non-cutting side.
Also rounded the actual cutting section, but that is just another style.
Runar,
I have seen guides made of steel ribbon in Scandinavia. Have you seen these or used this type? The steel bar is twisted to for the rifling pitch, and must be re-indexed for each cut.
Best wishes
Richard.
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I've seen pictures of a twisted square bar rifling guide somewhere as well, Richard.
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Hi all!
Barrel #12 . I use my yongest son Martin as a driver, original barrel 35" - octagon 10" rest round cal 14mm(55?)over the lands this will be a trading barrel with a Swedish friend (83) ;)
Runar
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Flott løp Runar, got å se benken i bruk. Holder fortsatt på med de seks Alex Henry låsene. Snart ferdig med kapitelet om fluene. Når jeg er ferdig med låsene, skal jeg begynne på igjen med postførervergene, har to som er nesten halvveis, men jeg sliter med å få avtrekkerne til å returnere.
Mvh
Rolf
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Runar,
Well done, should be a great shooter!