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Re: Wheeler & Son Northwest trade gun
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2020, 11:20:22 AM »
Jim - Louie - Bill,

Great guns - thanks for sharing.

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Re: Wheeler & Son Northwest trade gun
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2020, 07:55:42 PM »
I've been really enjoying this thread!  Many thanks to all for posting these nice pictures and info.

Have had an interest in NW Trade guns for some years and just from studying these pictures, many questions I have had are answered!     

Nicely inletted dragon sideplates!   

I have NW sideplate that was found by a school teacher who was doing some metal detecting with her class several years ago in an early settlement near Northport Michigan.    The scales and much of the serpents form look a lot like the plate from Louis example.   
Joel Hall

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Re: Wheeler & Son Northwest trade gun
« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2020, 02:18:07 AM »
Steve and JDM thanks for the information.....LP

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Re: Wheeler & Son Northwest trade gun
« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2020, 02:29:45 AM »
Louie , Jim Gordon  has one very similar to yours he dates around 1808- 1812.

Hudnut, Do you have any more pictures of yours? I would love to see them .
JIM

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Re: Wheeler & Son Northwest trade gun
« Reply #29 on: March 27, 2020, 03:26:08 AM »
JDM Hansons book The Northwest Gun calls it a model 1790...I don't have a clue...LP

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Re: Wheeler & Son Northwest trade gun
« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2020, 05:42:09 AM »
jdm - I'll take some.

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Re: Wheeler & Son Northwest trade gun
« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2020, 03:39:23 PM »
"The Art of the English Trade Gun in North America" by Nathan E. Bender, I think a 2018 publication, paperback, can't remember the price but wasn't a deal breaker.  A good addition to your library if you have any interest in these or not!

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Re: Wheeler & Son Northwest trade gun
« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2020, 04:10:18 PM »
JDM I went back to Hanson's book and did a bit of checking to see how he identified these as a 1790 model. He says the trigger guards with the long finials that taper to a point are 1790..Shows a photo on this same guard..  I will try to post a photo later today.  Could you see the guard on  Jim''s gun ?......LP

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Re: Wheeler & Son Northwest trade gun
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2020, 11:56:45 PM »
I got a call from a good friend about this thread...He has the new Hanson book.  Unless I misread the old information which is certainly possible, new information has been found that contradicts the old.  So I am just more than a little bit confused and have no idea what I am talking about....Sorry about that.... LP

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Re: Wheeler & Son Northwest trade gun
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2020, 02:50:54 AM »
Louie
I'm guessing the model 1790 came from Wheeler taking over the contracts in the 1790's . I misspoke  on the date of the one in Jim Gordon's collection He thinks it dates from 1798 -1805.   No picture of the bottom of the guard.
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Re: Wheeler & Son Northwest trade gun
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2020, 05:21:07 PM »
Question re dating British flint trade gun view & proof marks : 1) downward facing broad arrow surmounted by GR, surmounted by crown and  2)  closer to breech, crossed sceptres surmounted by crown....pre 1813?  Your thoughts & comments, please.