Kibler colonial set triggers

[JPK]

Some where I read a post that set triggers had been installed in a Kibler. Hoping it was on this site, could someone point me in the right direction?

[Mike Brooks]

I have done it several times.

[Stoner creek]

Not a problem. Just lay out the work first.

[Mike Brooks]

You'll have to patch the wood  for about an inch  on both sides  of the trigger plate

[Bob Roller]

You'll have to patch the wood  for about an inch  on both sides  of the trigger plate

What length and what width would be required to prevent a patched stock? I have in the past made triggers to
a specific lengrh and width plus the curvature of the stock.Also the position of the sear at full cock is a help.

Bob Roller

[JPK]

Thanks, I figured like most projects it a matter of effort expended to adapt a set trigger to the Kibler. Since it’s been done by someone I hoped to find out what trigger set worked for him. If I knew this I would be on the hunt for the triggers while I wait on the rifle. Most of the advanced builders are on this site so here is the best place to ask.

[Stoner creek]

I used the Davis #4.

[Mike Brooks]

I used the Davis #4.

What he said.

[JPK]

Thank you Stoner.

[wmrike]

Out of the box, the trigger/lock combination on the Kibler colonial is very, nice, easy to shoot.  Make sure you try one before committing to the extra work to install a set trigger.

[EC121]

The set trigger also extends the LOP just a little.

[Bob Roller]

I have never really figured out the need for set triggers on a rifle that has no sights worthy of mention.
Tradition I suppose is the main reason.Locks with a "fly" made the use of my own set triggers possible.
The single bar set trigger and a lock with a half cock and no fly won't work if the spring driven rear trigger
can't hold the sear up long enough for the lock to complete the firing cycle,especially a flintlock.
I noticed long ago that caplock rifles that used the "Has to be set"trigger had no half cock.
Bob Roller

[Bob Gerard]

I thought the tumbler required a fly for a set trigger to function. The Kibler Colonial has no fly.

[Daryl]

That would depend on the lock (sear and tumbler) geometry, to some extent.

[Bob Roller]

A tricky balance of springs and it all depends on a lock capable of abrupt tumbler cock rotation if it has no "fly".
I would think a modern lock without this little device which IS in reality an intercepting cam that pushes the point of the sear over the half cocked position would be a rare item.
Bob Roller

[Daryl]

I agree, Bob. A lock with set trigger without a fly, would have to be perfectly timed and shaped to prevent the 1/2 cock notch catching the sear.

[Frank]

I thought the tumbler required a fly for a set trigger to function. The Kibler Colonial has no fly.

Is this true? The Chambers lock on the original Colonial rifle had a fly, and I assumed the Kibler lock would have one as well. I checked Jim Kibler's website and I see no reference to a fly on his Colonial rifle lock. Hard to believe Jim would make a lock without a fly.

[BruceH]

The Kibler Colonial lock produced today by Kibler does have a fly, as did the Chambers lock used previously in those kits.  Kibler, did make an original order of that lock (100 produced - I was told) that did not have a fly.

[rich pierce]

I thought the tumbler required a fly for a set trigger to function. The Kibler Colonial has no fly.

Is this true? The Chambers lock on the original Colonial rifle had a fly, and I assumed the Kibler lock would have one as well. I checked Jim Kibler's website and I see no reference to a fly on his Colonial rifle lock.

All Chambers locks have flies. As do all Davis and L&R locks and do on. It’s hard to find a  newly made commercial lock without a fly. They just don’t make them like that anymore. Customers want a fly.

[Bob Gerard]

The Kibler Colonial lock produced today by Kibler does have a fly, as did the Chambers lock used previously in those kits.  Kibler, did make an original order of that lock (100 produced - I was told) that did not have a fly.

Ah yes- it does have a fly 

[bob in the woods]

I have removed the fly from my fowler lock. In very cold weather, it would sometimes catch and prevent the lock from firing, so I tossed it.  100 % reliable now .

[Bob Roller]

The "FLY" caused the lock to jam?? That's a new one to me.
Bob Roller

[bob in the woods]

The "FLY" caused the lock to jam?? That's a new one to me.
Bob Roller

The lube would affect the operation in the extreme cold, and I think that the finish surface  on the parts was probably a factor too.  Since I was hunting at the time, I simply removed the fly and that was it.   I never bothered re installing it .

[flinchrocket]

I thought the tumbler required a fly for a set trigger to function. The Kibler Colonial has no fly.

Is this true? The Chambers lock on the original Colonial rifle had a fly, and I assumed the Kibler lock would have one as well. I checked Jim Kibler's website and I see no reference to a fly on his Colonial rifle lock.

All Chambers locks have flies. As do all Davis and L&R locks and do on. It’s hard to find a  newly made commercial lock without a fly. They just don’t make them like that anymore. Customers want a fly.

The Tvlle lock made by track does not have a fly, but you can replace the tumbler with a Chambers English lock tumbler if you need a fly.

[Bob Roller]

That Tville lock is probably made like a military lock and few,if any of those used a fly but had a hefty and very substantial mechanisms and a single trigger.
Bob Roller