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Offline rich pierce

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New England militia gun
« on: September 11, 2023, 04:24:05 PM »
Here’s a typical New England militia gun from the early 1800s. Barrel is 42” and about .69 caliber. It’s in fine condition mechanically. Obviously had had a cleaning and going over in the past 50 years.






























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Offline Majorjoel

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Re: New England militia gun
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2023, 07:34:12 PM »
Very nice Rich!  It is interesting that this piece keeps many traits of those half stocked N\E rifles and smooth bore guns.   

When you showed the trigger guard picture, the back of my mind was expecting to see that frontal tit that most N\E guns share.  Not there but what is there is very cool indeed!
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2023, 10:18:40 PM »
nice. Thanks for posting
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Re: New England militia gun
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2023, 05:28:30 AM »
A Massachusetts-made barrel, almost certainly by Asa Waters and proved by Luke Harrington. Harrington was the barrel prover in Milbury where the Waters factory was lo0cated. Also, Waters had barrel rolling machinery so was able to produce them in far greater quantity and his military contracts demanded.

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Re: New England militia gun
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2023, 06:16:54 AM »
A Massachusetts-made barrel, almost certainly by Asa Waters and proved by Luke Harrington. Harrington was the barrel prover in Milbury where the Waters factory was lo0cated. Also, Waters had barrel rolling machinery so was able to produce them in far greater quantity and his military contracts demanded.
Thank you!  The lock is an import from England? Guesses on when made? 1820 plus or minus?


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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2023, 03:02:37 PM »
Yes...that goes without saying. Unless they were reused from an earlier gun, the locks on NE militia muskets are all English.
I've had several of these at one time or another. The locks are actually huge and may very well have been made for muskets and, thus, for sale in America. They are much bigger than the locks seen on rifles or NE fowlers.

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Re: New England militia gun
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2023, 07:11:24 AM »
What a great survivor, congratulations Rich!

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Re: New England militia gun
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2023, 02:58:22 AM »
Looks very orignal and in super condition!

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Re: New England militia gun
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2023, 06:12:51 AM »
Lock looks strangely “Ketlandesque”
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Re: New England militia gun
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2023, 02:13:39 PM »
Rich,

You have a great example of the New England Militia Musket in that particular example, thanks for letting us admire it.

I believe that George Moller was the first person to do a deep dive into the New England produced militia muskets in his 1988 book Massachusetts Military Shoulder Arms published by Mowbray Publishers. Luckily, I still have the copy I bought in'88. That book sent me on a quest to find a good example of one of those muskets.

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Re: New England militia gun
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2023, 07:29:37 PM »
Now "THAT'S  cool. Barrel wedges and not bands.
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Re: New England militia gun
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2023, 09:32:42 PM »
Rich,

You have a great example of the New England Militia Musket in that particular example, thanks for letting us admire it.

I believe that George Moller was the first person to do a deep dive into the New England produced militia muskets in his 1988 book Massachusetts Military Shoulder Arms published by Mowbray Publishers. Luckily, I still have the copy I bought in'88. That book sent me on a quest to find a good example of one of those muskets.

Kent
Kent, all of the militia muskets in George's book belonged to me...as did most of the rifles. I designed and typeset that book. In fact, I was working on the same project but gave it up when George sent us his MS.

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Re: New England militia gun
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2023, 11:40:05 PM »
Kent, all of the militia muskets in George's book belonged to me...as did most of the rifles. I designed and typeset that book. In fact, I was working on the same project but gave it up when George sent us his MS.

Well, you did an outstanding job Joe. It's a great book, I still refer to it from time to time.

Kent
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Re: New England militia gun
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2023, 12:44:47 AM »
I found a copy of the book and ordered it.
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« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2023, 08:27:48 AM »
That is a fantastic wonderful specimen there Rich! Very nice Militia gun!

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Re: New England militia gun
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2023, 09:00:29 PM »
  Looks like the barrel was thinned from the cap out and the sight was used as a lug. I take it that at one time there was a bayonet fit to this gun. The more I look at it the More I like the looks of it.

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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2023, 10:59:16 PM »
There was certainly a bayonet. That front sight is also the bayonet lug. These were called "training muskets" and militia muster days were "training days".

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Re: New England militia gun
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2023, 11:49:19 PM »
Now "THAT'S  cool. Barrel wedges and not bands.

Between 2/3 and 3/4 of them have pinned (or wedge fastened) barrels. The ones with bands were probably made from rejected parts made by the Springfield Armory or the various NE musket contractors. Some have military style locks which may also have been assembled from rejected parts while others have an unusually large B'ham lock but still have bands.