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Offline Tanselman

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Bonnet Rifle Removal... Wish It Hadn't Gone
« on: October 11, 2023, 03:09:29 AM »
Before the moderators jump on me, I fully understand their desire to restrict the firearms posted here, to keep the site meaningful and on subject. But once in a while, I think they jump too quickly and overlook the value of a posted firearm as it relates to the American longrifle. Our mission statement's interpretation has been broadened significantly the past few years, moving away from a longrifle focus to begin including more military longarm and shotgun postings. Current guidelines for postings seem to use only the phrase "the focus of the board is only those arms... utilizing a side lock ignition system." We are no longer just "American longrifles" or even "sporting arms."

The Bonnet rifle that was posted was one of the most fascinating rifles I've seen in a while. Here was a rifle closely related to the American longrifle, showing how, at least for one builder, it had evolved into a later style ignition system... while still retaining more of the decorative American longrifle details than any military longarm or shotgun that I can recall being posted.

I was told by a moderator a few years back, when questioning why so many military longarms were being accepted on an American longrifle site that violated our Mission Statement, that it was important for this site to accept "more widely related" guns so that the site could grow and encourage new members. [I may have missed the wording slightly, but that was the general message I received.]   

I personally think removal of the Bonnet rifle was a mistake in this instance. It was a fascinating rifle, related more strongly to the American longrifle than the military longarms and shotguns that have been posted, and even some of the discussions on "high priced" European locks. It seems we may have developed a case of "tunnel vision," focused too singularly on the "side lock" detail, rather than the "American longrifle," and as a result we are missing opportunities to add enjoyment to our current members [and encourage new members, right?] by no longer giving equal weight to the "sporting arms" that, at least in appearance in our Mission Statement, should have the same importance as "side lock." 

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Re: Bonnet Rifle Removal... Wish It Hadn't Gone
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2023, 03:42:34 AM »
I will re-post the photos in the over the Back fence section for anyone who wants to see them.
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Re: Bonnet Rifle Removal... Wish It Hadn't Gone
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2023, 01:13:09 PM »
I understand that the Bonnet rifle is great rifle BUT it is a cartridge gun and cartridge guns have NEVER  been allowed on ALR since ALR was created. The problem with making an exception to our rules is that if it's done for one, other members expect to be allowed the same exception to be granted to them for a cartridge that THEY deem worthy of posted, it may or may not be acceptable to other members.

The "no cartridge guns" rule has been in effect through 4 owners, if current owner, Tim Crosby wants to remove that rule that is his call.

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Re: Bonnet Rifle Removal... Wish It Hadn't Gone
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2023, 04:02:25 PM »
The "no cartridge guns" rule has been in effect through 4 owners, if current owner, Tim Crosby wants to remove that rule that is his call.

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Re: Bonnet Rifle Removal... Wish It Hadn't Gone
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2023, 05:03:15 PM »
Lets go pre 1898 ;D

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Re: Bonnet Rifle Removal... Wish It Hadn't Gone
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2023, 06:01:34 PM »
This is the premier forum for the American Longrifle. The mission statement is very clear. There are other forums available to talk about the different forms of firearms, please use those to discuss those firearms there. The moderators were correct to remove that post and it should stay removed. Was it an interesting firearm, yes, but it should not have been posted on this forum.
 
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Re: Bonnet Rifle Removal... Wish It Hadn't Gone
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2023, 06:33:52 PM »
I am with Dennis and Tim on this one. I thought the rifle was fantastic in many ways BUT, if you make one exception you have opened the flood gate. This is the premier site for traditional MUZZLELOADERS, and we need to keep it that way.
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Re: Bonnet Rifle Removal... Wish It Hadn't Gone
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2023, 06:41:31 PM »
Well I guess I'm late to the party.  Anyone care to pm me a few pics?  I'd like to see this thing.
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Re: Bonnet Rifle Removal... Wish It Hadn't Gone
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2023, 06:51:37 PM »
I agree the rifle is fantastic but doesn’t belong on this forum.
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Re: Bonnet Rifle Removal... Wish It Hadn't Gone
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2023, 08:32:03 PM »
Well I guess I'm late to the party.  Anyone care to pm me a few pics?  I'd like to see this thing.

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Re: Bonnet Rifle Removal... Wish It Hadn't Gone
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2023, 06:08:29 PM »
I understand that the Bonnet rifle is great rifle BUT it is a cartridge gun and cartridge guns have NEVER  been allowed on ALR since ALR was created. The problem with making an exception to our rules is that if it's done for one, other members expect to be allowed the same exception to be granted to them for a cartridge that THEY deem worthy of posted, it may or may not be acceptable to other members.

The "no cartridge guns" rule has been in effect through 4 owners, if current owner, Tim Crosby wants to remove that rule that is his call.

Dennis

 I will sometimes mention such things in passing as a reference but its NOT a can of worms we need to open here so far as photos and discussion. There are sites dedicated to this. That is the place for them.
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