Continental sxs Rifle

[Feltwad]

If we were to keep our opinions to ourselves, this forum would have very few posts!  It's the nature of the beast.  I would suggest thicker skin

Yes I agree but not sarcastic remarks we all are not like a horse that wears blinkers and only see one thing it can ruin a  interest thread that some members still like  with interest
Feltwad

[JH Ehlers]

Hello Feltwad, I am sorry if I offended you. Writing on the internet is a very impersonal way of communicating. I had a smile on my face when posting. Some styles of guns/rifles are just ugly to my eye, and it genuinely reminded me of Halloween decoration. It was just my opinion, this forum is kept alive by it. I am sure the workmanship on that rifle is of the best, just the design is not pretty for me.

[Bill Paton]

Regardless of personal opinions on aesthetics I am still fascinated by this unique rifle. Early on, Feltwad stated that the right barrel’s rifling is fast twist while the left has straight rifling. Also it was noted later that the double set trigger complex fired the left barrel (which was an unepected surprise to me). In my experience searching out original double rifles, virtually all SxS double rifles with one straight-rifled barrel mount the twist-rifled barrel on the right, and use the front trigger to fire it. The recent post showing the locks notes that the right lock has a fly in the tumbler for the double set trigger.

I now assume the front double set trigger combination fires the right twist-rifled barrel as I would normally expect, and the rear “shotgun” trigger fires the straight-rifled left barrel with a lock lacking a fly in the tumbler. Is that correct, Feltwad?

Also, Brent English asked why the straight-rifled barrel is the same caliber as the twist barrel. A detailed discussion of straight rifling was started on March 16, 2014 by smylee grouch and is worth looking up. Many opinions exist about this issue. My take is that the straight-rifled barrel probably fires a patched ball a little more accurately than a smoothbore, and also can shoot shot better than a twist-rifled barrel. It’s convenient to have both barrels take the same size patched ball, and also have a barrel in the same gun for shooting small game shot. 

Bill Paton

[Feltwad]

I will do my best to explain the  trigger mechanism  and rifling .  The first trigger is the set trigger which sets the right hand lock for the right hand barrel when the hammer is cocked it is either fired  by the third trigger  when not set or by the set trigger when set .The second  trigger fires the left hand lock which fires the left hand barrel and is not set it is standard  percussion . The rifling in the right hand barrel is 8 groves with 3 full turns  the left hand barrel rifling is 4 broad straight groves. Hope that helps
Feltwad

[Dennis Glazener]

I like this gun, guess its my predominate German genes overriding my Scot/Irish, English, Viking, Welsh, Nordic, Scandinavian, (the list goes on ) genes.
Dennis

[J.M.Browning]

I find SHOOTABLE & preserved rifles, smooth bores very interesting , the posted rifle is a fine example of what appears to be a shootable gun.
The OP has my thanks for taking time to share a interesting firearm.

I see several posts on this very Forum constantly of American made firearms non functional bits & pieces , rusty bore's 20% of the firearm is incomplete I own may 100 + year old firearms of many flavors they all are in regular shooting rotation I've never encountered on my several Firearm Forums the wall hangers- junk as posted here .

[Kmcmichael]

Most of us are too old to keep our opinions to ourselves.

I have found the German vs English gun debate interesting for many years. We as Americans tend to like modern guns overbuilt yet we do not like carved stocks either.

[alacran]

English guns have been imported into the US for hundreds of years now. People tend to like what they are familiar with. This has been an Anglocentric country for obvious reasons. German guns were never imported to this country in great numbers, until the end of the Spanish American war. All the German Mausers were taken as spoils of war. They were sold by Bannerman's for about $8.00 a piece.

[Bill Paton]

Feltwad,
Thanks for the clarificaton on the triggers and rifling. You caught me off guard with the three triggers, and really tripped me up with the separated double set trigger! Fascinating indeed. The shooter would have to keep a clear head when snap shooting at small game with the shot barrel! I have typically cocked both hammers at once when snap shooting, but with this gun I think I would learn to cock only the left lock when hunting with shot. Please keep these learning enigmas coming.

Bill Paton

[Bob Roller]

Interesting, but I don't have much to say. I could give you the common "nice gun" response I suppose. Continental guns of that period are far less popular over here than British guns of the same era. I find all old guns interesting.

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I think that Americans having been at war with the Germans in one century might be in part reason to ignore a fine German double rifle as this.
The inletting and the metal work is as fine as anything produced in England.

I think it's because the German work is a little more harsh, severe and less refined as compared to English work.

The late John Bivins and I were discussing this while at Friendship and he said,"No matter how fine the German work was.the cloven hoof was always there". I agree with that.America has had to fight Germany twice in the 20th century and the words Blitz Kreig came into our
language.Hit hard,fast and keep moving.In the 1st World War Germany could not take Paris.The 2nd time.Hitler was a tourist in Paris and
wondering what to do with it now that he had it. .Six weeks and Paris was done.
Bob Roller

[Feltwad]

Lets stick to the subject of the Continental sxs rifle. Yes many countries suffered during that period  but there is a place to discuss this am are right or wrong moderator .
Feltwad

[Bill Paton]

My Der Neue Støckel notes “Funk (Funck) Valentin Suhl 1858-70. p 408 (Vol 1)

Bill Paton

[Feltwad]

My Der Neue Støckel notes “Funk (Funck) Valentin Suhl 1858-70. p 408 (Vol 1)

Bill Paton

Thanks Bill  that is interesting
Feltwad

[OLUT]

My Der Neue Støckel notes “Funk (Funck) Valentin Suhl 1858-70. p 408 (Vol 1)

Bill Paton

In concurrence with Dr. Paton's input, here's the listing from Gardner's book on the Funk family of Suhl. Note especially the description of the last listing

[Feltwad]

I think the above writings of the Funck family  the last chapter sums it up on the Continental sxs rifle of this thread thanks to all
Feltwad