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Offline David R. Pennington

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Flintlock Survival Rifle
« on: June 11, 2024, 07:38:00 PM »
I had this idea about building a flintlock survival rifle. Any one else ever considered that notion? I have an old CVA kit gun I could sacrifice barrel from or even an old octagon barrel from a rifle I have that’s chambered for an obsolete rimfire cartridge. Nothing following any historical style, just a small light utilitarian gun. Maybe even fix stock so it could break down to pack.
The flintlock would be the perfect survival weapon. All you would need is a mold, some lead and a little powder. If ammunition and caps were hard to get you can always find a rock.
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Offline Craig Wilcox

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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2024, 07:40:47 PM »
Perhaps a small amount of powder and ball in a "patch box"?
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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2024, 08:15:09 PM »
That is how I think of a NorthWest trade gun that's been  shortened. Anything from 28 bore or larger.
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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2024, 08:44:49 PM »
Survival gun is the one you have with you when it’s needed, a special made for the purpose one is most likely not with you.
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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2024, 09:55:49 PM »
When I think of the guns, pistols built here, pretty sure, historically,  they all where survival guns back then. If we talking nowadays, it certainly wouldn't be a muzzleloader.

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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2024, 12:20:56 AM »
There are some American flintlock rifles, particularly some from New England, that had hooked breeches and the forends had a joint so the barrel and most of the forend could be removed allowing the rifle to be more easily stowed. There are also muzzleloaders with hinged wrists that allow the gun to fold at to be stored. Something like that might make a nice "pack rifle."
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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2024, 01:48:43 AM »
Look up muzzleloader poacher guns.There some ingenious designs of poacher guns some with butt stocks that takedown others with hollowed out stocks and screw off barrels like the screw barrel pistols etc

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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2024, 02:01:47 AM »
Joe S., I think you missed my point. In survival gun I meant one that could be relied on if society totally collapsed to the point modern ammunition no longer available. Just conjecture on my part. Wasn’t very long ago we had “supply chain issues” and certain things were hard to come by.
Just thinking out loud.
I like the image shared of poacher’s gun. Could come a time when we would be forced to poach the state’s game to feed hungry mouths.
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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2024, 06:25:46 PM »
 My idea of a survival gun would be a 24 gauge trade gun, with a thirty inch barrel, and a good large flintlock. That would shoot shot,and a round ball, along with a .58 cal. Mini. It would weigh about six pounds and have enough options to allow you to hunt almost anything.

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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2024, 08:30:07 PM »
Joe S., I think you missed my point. In survival gun I meant one that could be relied on if society totally collapsed to the point modern ammunition no longer available. Just conjecture on my part. Wasn’t very long ago we had “supply chain issues” and certain things were hard to come by.
Just thinking out loud.
I like the image shared of poacher’s gun. Could come a time when we would be forced to poach the state’s game to feed hungry mouths.

You're absolutely right in your thinking. Having lived for decades in places that are just what the average American imagines when he says "SHTF", i.e. power grid inexistent or collapsed, empty fuel stations but thriving black market, bands of armed miscreants roaming the countryside, undrinkable water, close to zero healthcare available, limited supply of drugs, and so on, I can tell you that: 1.) It's not as bad as one could think, and by far (unless you are in an area of open war or genocide, of course...), 2.) One gets used to it quite rapidly, and 3.) Forget about finding ammo, unless you pick it from the enemy or from friendlies, and that's not hunting ammo. There won't be any spares either.

In this context, a flintlock rifle makes perfect sense: you don't depend on anyone for your supply of ammunition, and can feed yourself off the land. If you have any mechanical skills at all, even rough, you'll be able to keep that piece going as long as you live.

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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2024, 09:32:00 PM »
My thinking in regards to having a flintlock for a survival tool suggests that yes, it’s a good option but I’d want to learn to make powder first and foremost in any attempt to remain sustainable in a grid down scenario. Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2024, 05:15:42 AM »
I suspect that if anyone would rely upon parts from an old CVA kit gun to build a 'survival gun', that their likelihood of survival would be slim to none.

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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2024, 01:51:41 AM »
Bob did you read my post? The only thing from the CVA I would use is the barrel, rebreached for flint. Despite the junky spanish percussion lock and weird breach with the right load it shot pretty well (when it would go off)
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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2024, 03:20:05 AM »
Bob did you read my post? The only thing from the CVA I would use is the barrel, rebreached for flint. Despite the junky spanish percussion lock and weird breach with the right load it shot pretty well (when it would go off)

I did David. Imagining a worst case social scenario, though, a modern firearm is preferable in every way to a rifled (I assume) flintlock whatever that you are imagining.
That is if one stocks up on modern ammo, as you probably realize  ;D
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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2024, 04:32:39 AM »
Well that was my hypothetical scenario, societal breakdown, modern ammunition not available. Flintlock would be handy and small stock of powder would go a long way. No doubt modern firearms superior but if ammunition and primers not available, useless.
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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2024, 06:36:24 AM »
If things go that sideways? Survival is not going to be about shooting something to eat.
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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2024, 04:43:41 PM »
If things go that sideways? Survival is not going to be about shooting something to eat.
A lot of people don’t understand that. About 99% of what people discuss on this particular subject is often abject silliness.
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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2024, 08:52:00 PM »
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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2024, 05:50:34 PM »
It is best to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove any and all doubt....

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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2024, 06:34:36 PM »
Joe S., I think you missed my point. In survival gun I meant one that could be relied on if society totally collapsed to the point modern ammunition no longer available. Just conjecture on my part. Wasn’t very long ago we had “supply chain issues” and certain things were hard to come by.
Just thinking out loud.
I like the image shared of poacher’s gun. Could come a time when we would be forced to poach the state’s game to feed hungry mouths.

You're absolutely right in your thinking. Having lived for decades in places that are just what the average American imagines when he says "SHTF", i.e. power grid inexistent or collapsed, empty fuel stations but thriving black market, bands of armed miscreants roaming the countryside, undrinkable water, close to zero healthcare available, limited supply of drugs, and so on, I can tell you that: 1.) It's not as bad as one could think, and by far (unless you are in an area of open war or genocide, of course...), 2.) One gets used to it quite rapidly, and 3.) Forget about finding ammo, unless you pick it from the enemy or from friendlies, and that's not hunting ammo. There won't be any spares either.

In this context, a flintlock rifle makes perfect sense: you don't depend on anyone for your supply of ammunition, and can feed yourself off the land. If you have any mechanical skills at all, even rough, you'll be able to keep that piece going as long as you live.

This. A lot of "survivalists" or 'preppers" envision some fantasy world akin to the "Walking Dead," "Lights Out," "The Postman" and other fictional works where the survivors will be engaging in daily gun battles. If it's like that, the poster who commented that survival won't be about finding something to eat is probably correct because most of the would-be survivors won't even live long enough to die of thirst, much less starvation.

There are plenty of survivors who have and continue to survive for years and decades under conditions that most modern people can't even imagine. Those people don't have Glocks, ARs and AKs, and wouldn't be able to feed them if they did. Instead they have single shot shotguns (and reload the shells with black powder), or even "Dane" guns. In that situation a flinter would be a great survival gun. I would also like to have my .22 caliber Benjamin pumper air rifle. Not only do I have a good supply of pellets for it; I also have a pellet mold.
I would probably use that pellet gun more than the muzzleloader because it would be less likely to draw unwanted attention.

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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2024, 08:04:10 PM »
Bob did you read my post? The only thing from the CVA I would use is the barrel, rebreached for flint. Despite the junky spanish percussion lock and weird breach with the right load it shot pretty well (when it would go off)

Well, all I can add is if you're considering using a CVA percussion barrel here's what happen to me. I wanted a short barrel rifle and I had a CVA barrel in my pile for years. So, I cut off the percussion....plus some more and made a hook breach from that. When I cut the barrel for the hook breech, here's what was hidden inside the barrel.

I'd never use a CVA barrel for anything.


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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2024, 03:27:54 PM »
I don't plan on surviving with a flintlock. I have other guns for when times get tough. It will be several decades before I run out of pew pew pew.
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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2024, 12:06:57 AM »
What ever you decide get 2…….one is none, two is one! Just my 2 cents.

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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2024, 04:39:04 AM »
    I'm with Mike...time for the class three's.. I'm to old to play games anymore...

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Re: Flintlock Survival Rifle
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2024, 02:41:59 AM »
Let’s stop talking modern guns using code or straight language.
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