DGW frizzen

[Wingshot]

Success!
Shows what can be accomplished when we step in to help a fellow member out.

I only hope I can help someone out on here someday. Whetrock rescued my squirrel season!

[Birddog6]

The little foot that pivots on the frizzen spring broke on my DGW .32 mountain rifle today, hoping someone might have one laying around? $1-$25? Shipped. Coming up empty on the DGW site.

How about an entire lock for ?  $12.  That’s the cost of a small flatrate box &
change.
Sorry it took me so long, I just couldn’t lay my hands on it. Here is the back side
of lock to confirm ID. It appears to have never been installed.  You can have
it for shipping cost & a few cents if you want a spare lock.  It don't spark worth
a hoot but it may give you some spare parts. 

PM your address to me if you want it.

Keith

[Bob Roller]

This is a spin off on the Chet Shoults lock from the 1950's Log Cabin may have this style of frizzen and they own/owned all the moulds from Jerry Devaudruel DBA International Arms Co.
Bob Roller                       

Your recall never ceases to amaze me Bob, thanks for that tidbit.

On a good day I have the IQ of an oyster and the rest of the time,a potted plant :'(
Bob Roller

[Birddog6]

    I always say I have a IQ of a green Tomato & a personality to match it. 

[Wingshot]

Just a follow up on Log Cabin, I drove over last week for some other needed items and inquired about the lock in question. No parts at all in their inventory.

[Birddog6]

I am mailing you a lock today. But I feel you want to USE the rifle, you should
consider finding a quality replacement lock. 
If a reshaped Chambers Siler Gunmakers lock would replace it, that would be a
exceptional choice. Or a Late Ketland would serve as well. I didn't even think to
put it beside one & see how much dif. there is, & I have all 3 loose here. But a
replacement lock would be advantageous & save allot of aggravation. That is all
a poor function lock accomplishes,  aggravation.
 

[Bob Roller]

The Chambers Late Ketland is a fine lock as it is and I have used the external parts as a platform for a custom mechanism.
Bob Roller

[Wingshot]

I am mailing you a lock today. But I feel you want to USE the rifle, you should
consider finding a quality replacement lock. 
If a reshaped Chambers Siler Gunmakers lock would replace it, that would be a
exceptional choice. Or a Late Ketland would serve as well. I didn't even think to
put it beside one & see how much dif. there is, & I have all 3 loose here. But a
replacement lock would be advantageous & save allot of aggravation. That is all
a poor function lock accomplishes,  aggravation.

I have a Chambers Late Ketland for a build I have in progress (my first) and I’ll have to do a side by side comparison. I realized that these imported components are what they are.

[Birddog6]

Oh, you can have a dang good shooting rifle, ruined buy a crappy
lock & ruin the day.
Especially deer hunting.  Or fighting with it all day at the range.

I decided Many years ago I am NOT fighting locks. I do Not want to work
on a lock. I buy it, I expect it to work.

[whetrock]

I think sometimes there are good reasons to fix a lock. One is economics. Another is style. Sometimes there is just the fun and challenge of doing it.

I think it's a bit like restoring cars. Why would a guy spend time restoring an old car when he could just go buy a new one that would be so much more reliable? I'd bet that a lot of people who are into old cars would say something like "Because it's fun."

[Birddog6]

I can understand that.  Lots of guys like to restore locks & that is OK.  The aggravating
thing to me is Usually it is a poor design in the first place, and also they use the Cheapest
metals, instead of a good metal.  In other words all they care about is Sales, not quality.
Anything metal that is Cast, I look down on right from the get go. Cast is cheaper, which
I look down on again.  Yes, I know, it is how it is.  I been doing this since 1978, so it is
not a surprise.  Doesn't mean I have to like it.

As for the Car or Truck, I would rather pay $ 25,000 for the truck you put $ 60,000
in, then drive it. And that is usually how it goes.   

[Bob Roller]

The American long rifles and later caplocks like the Hawken all had a utility grade lock and when the muzzle loader started to be revived the low end locks were part of the picture but they worked.My first encounter with a really high quality lock occurred in 1962 when I was home on leave from the Army and went to the shop of  E.M.Farris in Portsmouth,Ohio and came home with a superb semi military target rifle and it had a Brazier 4 screw lock that proved the Americans had NO idea about what a lock should be.I had no idea either and it took 34 years to gain the skills and equipment to make such a lock but I did with the unlimited help of Lynton McKenzie,a master engraver who was willing to loan these fine locks from existing rifles and then my job was to figure out how to go about a good copy. The fancy bridles were made possible by my tool room milling machine PLUS a good assortment of quality files in various shapes and cuts.The first one was shown at the NMLRA shoot in Friendship Indiana and R.E,Davis paid me $250 for it in 1997 and more came later.I made these "4 pin"locks in full size and a few in a smaller scale and Bob Woodfill made a small scale boy's rifle styled like an Alex Henry with it.A partially finished one of these is on the mantle now along with a low end Hawken needing the springs finished.Getting back to the DGW frizzen,I worked for DGW in the Summer of 1958and Turner Kirkland had NO interest at all in any quality parts and the locks he imported from wherever it was in Europe were all low end..Years later I connected with the German black powder shooters and they didn't worry about price as long as the quality was obvious and thanks again to L&R for their willingness to sell anything I needed for the small flintlocks I made for Helmut Mohr's pistol projects and thanks to Gurnther Stifter for introducing my locks in Germany and Europe in general.I also want to thank the people here on THIS forum for their support when I made locks and triggers available to one and all.Standing at a bench is now difficult and IF I ever get anything finished I'll post it here and no where else.
Bob Roller

[Birddog6]

I have never owned one of your locks.  But you Definitely made some great triggers
& I have a couple of them.

[Bob Roller]

I have never owned one of your locks.  But you Definitely made some great triggers
& I have a couple of them.

Birddog6,
Thanks for the comment about my triggers.Believe it or not,it was Turner Kirkland that talked me into making them.The first ones were the type that had to be set to work but in 1967 I bought a milling machine which made the two lever triggers possible.Taylor Sapergia got the last "must be set to work"style and that was IT.

Bob Roller