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Offline Pete G.

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Re: Rifle Number 3...Unfinished
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2014, 03:25:38 PM »
A feller sits around trying to firgure out how to fix sumptin that ain't even broke yet.


Must be an enigineer.
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Unfinished
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2014, 07:15:43 PM »
Looks like another great gun Dave. I like the fix in the wrist, looks very well done.
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Unfinished
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2014, 09:34:14 PM »
Pete G,

Yes, an engineer....and worse yet, a military engineer.  Always have a secondary and even tertiary plan...and then be prepared to throw all the plans out the window and make up something on the spot.  Like the Marines I used to operate with said, "Adapt, Improvise, Overcome".
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Unfinished
« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2014, 09:44:23 PM »
Quote from: kaintuck on July 27, 2014, 03:33:18 AM
Dave2,
Thought on one aspect, SMR have the curve from the distal end on the cheek piece curve up and terminate at the front end of the BP , Lancaster types need that curve to curve up and term at the corner of the BP...it will "sweep" in a long curve.....all these things...
Marc

No offense, Kaintuck, but i'm not so sure about those rules of thumb for cheek piece shaping. At least for TN rifles.
Mssrs. Wheland and Mock build pretty fair guns, as you know.  See what you think at links below.
Plus one of my own, that is not anywhere near in the same league as the above, but I can still find pleasing (to me anyway)  aspects of the cheekpiece shaping.
Not meaning to debate or offend here, just pointing out some different perspectives that maybe arent all that rare or obscure.


dave C. - your engraving is so stunning its difficult to even look at the wood !  Fine work.

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http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/2011/07/mark-wheland.html

http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/2013/03/andy-mock.html

http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/search?q=Mike+millard
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Unfinished
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2014, 05:40:36 AM »
My eyes are so drawn to the engraving, I'm having a tough time seeing the wood. I'm in awe of the engraving!
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Offline Pete G.

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Re: Rifle Number 3...Unfinished
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2014, 11:42:28 PM »
Quote from: davec2 on July 27, 2014, 09:34:14 PM
Pete G,

Yes, an engineer....and worse yet, a military engineer.  Always have a secondary and even tertiary plan...and then be prepared to throw all the plans out the window and make up something on the spot.  Like the Marines I used to operate with said, "Adapt, Improvise, Overcome".

I understand perfectly. I just retired after 40 years in the marine engineering department in a shipyard building warships.
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Unfinished
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2014, 04:40:43 AM »
Pascagoula ?  I've probably sailed ships you built there !
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Unfinished
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2014, 07:13:45 AM »
Starting work again on this rifle as well.  Beginning of the patch box inletting.  The top of the box door will be round and the door will open from the side on this one.


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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 Still Unfinished but closer
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2015, 09:41:58 PM »
Ok, OK.....you know it is really hard to finish a rifle when all the talented builders on this site keep teaching me things.  Just as soon as I decide to do something one way, one of you comes up with a better idea.  So this rifle, which started out as number three (but was bypassed when I decided to make a copy of a Jim Kibler rifle) is now #4.  And, although I have changed my mind several times on what I wanted to do with it, I was committed by previous work in several areas and I just need to get it finished.  So, I started the carving (not quite done yet) and finished the patch box / toe plate inletting, mechanics, and engraving.  As you may notice, the carving is still heavily influenced by copying Kibler's work.....








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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 Still Unfinished but closer
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2015, 03:09:20 AM »
Your work is excellent and incredibly crisp. The quality of your engraving is way over the top for an American gun. I know guys with your ability have trouble dialing back and I understand why. I really like the gun and wouldn't have worried about a wrist break. I'll be interested how you finish it up, carving etc. I guess you should match the quality of the carving to the same quality as the engraving.
 I'd like to see your talents applied to a euro gun.
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 Still Unfinished but closer
« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2015, 12:07:27 AM »
I THINK dave has a micro router that works off his CAD program......that way he gets crisp metal to wood fits.......no gaps....... :o

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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 Still Unfinished but closer
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2015, 12:19:04 AM »
Dave,
 Looking great!
I would love to see a photo of your top 5 to 10 inletting / carving chisels or tools.
Your wood to metal fit is amazing to me.
I can't even begin to comment on the engraving as I wouldn't know where to start except that I have no idea how that is accomplished.
Thanks for the pictures!
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 Still Unfinished but closer
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2015, 02:13:43 AM »
ScottH,

Thanks for the compliment, but there are others on this site much better at engraving, carving, and inletting that I am.  (There is some great information and photos in the "Tutorial" section posted by guys who actually know what they are doing .....and can explain it.)

To answer your question, I have a hundred or more carving tools that I have accumulated over the years...most by foolishly buying sets with lots of tools in them that I have never used.  These are really the only tools I use for all of the inletting and carving I do....









To give you some scale, in the last photo, the flat chisel in the center is about 3/16 inch wide, so the curved "U" and the "V" on either side are even smaller.
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 Still Unfinished but closer
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2015, 03:13:26 AM »
Dave
 Thank you! That is very helpful!
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 Still Unfinished but closer
« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2015, 05:03:48 AM »
Very nice craftsmanship!
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 Still Unfinished but closer
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2015, 07:12:03 PM »
Quote from: Mike Brooks on February 01, 2015, 03:09:20 AM
Your work is excellent and incredibly crisp. The quality of your engraving is way over the top for an American gun. I know guys with your ability have trouble dialing back and I understand why. I really like the gun and wouldn't have worried about a wrist break. I'll be interested how you finish it up, carving etc. I guess you should match the quality of the carving to the same quality as the engraving.
I'd like to see your talents applied to a euro gun.

Ditto!!!
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 FINISHED
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2015, 10:20:51 PM »
OK...for what it's worth...mistakes and all, it's done.  I figure with a little use, it will develop its own distinct patina that will elevate some of the errors.  Of course, the design flaws will be there forever......



































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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 FINISHED
« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2015, 10:53:58 PM »
That is one beautiful piece.  I'm jealous. 
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 FINISHED
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2015, 12:02:55 AM »
Lovely - simply lovely!
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 FINISHED
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2015, 12:29:31 AM »
The engraving is wonderful.  A fine rifle indeed.

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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 FINISHED
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2015, 12:52:19 AM »
All I can say is outstanding work.
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 FINISHED
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2015, 02:28:18 AM »
very nice work  :)
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 FINISHED
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2015, 04:04:43 AM »
I like it Dave.  Nice job carving walnut.  The rifle has a distinct English flare.
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Re: Rifle Number 3...Uuhhh...#4 FINISHED
« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2015, 04:47:44 AM »
This is one awesome rifle Dave...number 4...really?  Gotta ask what are you using for the engraving, hammer and chisel, push? Both?  Looking forward to seeing number 5!
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« Reply #49 on: February 08, 2015, 04:50:13 AM »
Beautiful work,I hope to be as good some day
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