Author Topic: 200 yard shooting (Read 4437 times)

Molly · « **on:** February 26, 2023, 04:32:43 AM »

Just for fun, what cal., what load and what point of aim (inches over center) would you shoot.

Example: 50 cal, 80 gr, 18 inches high of center.

Jeff Murray · « **Reply #1 on:** February 26, 2023, 04:59:14 AM »

I have a snap on sight setup that was glass bedded to fit the top of my barrel. I can put it on and take it off with hand pressure. IT allows me to hold center at that range for target shooting. The big adjustment is windage as the ball takes a vacation on its way to the target.

Daryl · « **Reply #2 on:** February 26, 2023, 06:04:18 AM »

Molly - I am pretty sure 80gr. won't "cut it" at 100yrds, let alone 200yards. I also think you might need a thicker patch.

Taylor used 127gr. 2F GOEX, a 10 ounce denim patch (.022") and .495" cast ball for the 200yard contest we had here. His barrel was a Rice, round bottom groove.
After this match, he made a .62 calibre Hawken for this match that was never repeated. I do not remember how much front sight he had to hold up
over the rear sight's top, but it was likely 3/16".

I don't recall what load parameters Candle Snuffer, (the match director,-I think) used.

I used my .69, which had a 200 meter sight blade sighted for 165gr. 2f Goex, .030" denim patch and .682" round ball. I reduced the charge to 140gr. 2F GOEX which gave a zero at 200yards
using that leaf.
In warm-up practice, we both put 5 shots into between 2 1/2" and 3" off the bench of course. Sorry, no picture of that.

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Pukka Bundook · « **Reply #3 on:** February 26, 2023, 08:06:56 AM »

With my short Jaeger, I used 70 grs and it is a .58. I think I have the front sight a quarter inch over the rear sight and could clobber the 200 yard deer target we painted on an old metal round patio table, Molly.

snapper · « **Reply #4 on:** February 26, 2023, 04:20:54 PM »

80 grains is plenty to get it to 100 or 200 yards. I shoot 86 grains of 2F swiss in 3 different ML, .45 cal pushing a 530 grain bullet to 1,000 yards. You just got to elevate your sight picture.

Fleener

Daryl · « **Reply #5 on:** February 26, 2023, 05:19:24 PM »

80gr. will likely be found to shoot with poor accuracy at 200yards is what I am saying. Much depends on the rate of twist
for accuracy and the length of barrel as to how much elevation is needed.
This is my hold on the 200yard target that was about chest height, using the 200meter leaf.

smylee grouch · « **Reply #6 on:** February 26, 2023, 06:29:02 PM »

Ben Avery range in Pheonix, AZ silhouettes range 200 meter rams are on heavy hinge on each leg. They have an air assisted reset system and if you hit the ram low and to one side with a too small caliber ball they will sometimes not go over because they torque against the hinge. I use a 58, 110 gr. Swiss 2f with an Plains rifle elevator rear sight .

MuskratMike · « **Reply #7 on:** February 26, 2023, 07:52:39 PM »

Daryl: now that's some darn fine form. Got to be the biggest "shooting" bag ever!

Daryl · « **Reply #8 on:** February 27, 2023, 12:57:26 AM »

LOL - & the 3 1/2" wide strap is necessary when packing 70 balls for the trail walk. 5 pounds, just in balls.
My watch won't stay on the top of my wrist when shooting that rifle.
The stock shape in recoil, drives the shoulder down, which brings the cheek up off the comb. The RRod also comes out of the pipes 1/2" or so
even though my finger is on it.
Oh- I use the same bag when shooting shot in my 20 bore. Handy when carrying wads - large inner pocket, full size.

StevenV · « **Reply #9 on:** February 27, 2023, 04:10:26 AM »

Molly, we hold a 200 yd. match every year at our August shoot. $1 per shot, if memory serves me correct nothing less then a 10 is needed to win and more times then not an X is needed to win. The prize, $100 bill. I have won a couple( one pic of me, two of John) but John in red shirt is by far the best shooter. He could take 10 shots once he gets "zeroed in " and put 7 in the black. We shoot .40cal., flint ,off hand ,open sights, 60grains 3F Swiss, hold about 30" to 36"high to drop into the X. Steve

Jeff Murray · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2023, 05:48:34 AM »

Its good to be young with no bifocals!

Molly · « **Reply #11 on:** February 27, 2023, 03:22:14 PM »

Very interesting! This is what some of our group has tried. Would not have considered a 40 and only 60 gr. Their target also had lots of holes, mostly off center but it's a fun exercise.

StevenV · « **Reply #12 on:** February 27, 2023, 04:28:55 PM »

Jeff ,young is a relative term. I am old enough to collect , is that young? Anyway I thank God every day for what I have and what I can do. I have a saying with my children “ Make Excuses To Make It Work”. So yes my eyes are not what they used to be so I use safety glasses with the Lyman Eye Patch. It is a piece of black electrical tape with a tiny pin hole in it. It really helps to focus REALLY!!! Hold your hand up to your eyes, cup it so as to form a “ tunnel” . Look at something , then the same thing with “ tunneled hand much clearer. Yes you are right, young eyes would be nice but I don’t have that option.Steve

Pukka Bundook · « **Reply #13 on:** February 27, 2023, 06:02:42 PM »

Steven,
I have done exactly the same with the electric tape. So much clearer!
Even a piece of card off a cartridge box with a fine hole pushed through it works, sharpied black on the inside and stuffed up under the cap.
Glasses with tape are easier though!

Daryl · « **Reply #14 on:** February 27, 2023, 10:29:19 PM »

Our late friend and forum member Roger won this match with his .45 Getz barreled capper.
I think he used something around 70 to 80gr. 3F in this rifle for the long range match.

Bob Roller · « **Reply #15 on:** March 02, 2023, 06:31:24 PM »

I have been told a round ball will shed velocity and Snapper's comment on 86 grains and a 530 grain bullet at 1000 yards is not unknown.
I doubt if and 45 caliber round ball could travel that far but there may be published data to prove me wrong and I hope there is,
Bob Roller

Daryl · « **Reply #16 on:** March 02, 2023, 08:41:32 PM »

I plugged known BC's for round balls (Lyman Data) into a program I use on my rat rifles & it's true and correct for them, out to over 500yards.
What I found with the round balls, is an absolute maximum range of 700yards with my .69's projectiles. The program allowed changing many factors and re-computing.
Now, whether it's "data" could be trusted for use with round balls, I don't know.
The chart/program I have now, shows it's possible to sight in a .495" ball at 1,600fps, at 1000 yards. That's the maximum of the program, but the ball is on quite a slope coming down.

Cades Cove Fiddler · « **Reply #17 on:** March 02, 2023, 10:09:54 PM »

.. Greetings, Molly,... seems like you and Al are gonna give someone a fair running start,... I would aim for the head and hope to hit him on his a$$,... !!! .. regards,... Cades Cove Fiddler

Daryl · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2023, 12:42:32 AM »

The chart I have (BC of .070) shows a .495" starting at 1,800fps, from a 50yard zero, has a drop of 35.64" at 200yards.
Another computer program I have for low BC projectiles (pellets) gives 34.45" drop for the same ball BC and vel. at 200yards.
AHH - this one is for sights 2" over the centre of the bore. The first one is for sights 1 1/2" over the centre. Knew I forgot (at least) one detail.
Too- the second drop is for 2,000feet ASL and the 1st taken at sea level. Yeah- 2 things, or is that 3?

Molly · « **Reply #19 on:** March 05, 2023, 04:55:53 PM »

Hi there "Fiddler"! I'm strictly a 35 to 50 yard shooter. He has this crazy thing about 200 yards. It has been rather amusing however. A few in the club took it up last fall and will probably get back into it soon. Best part is that in two instances they actually saw the ball as it went down range. In one instance he picked it up visually at about 50 yards out and followed it all the way to the target and it was not the "vortex" but that actual ball. Will snap a few photos next time out.

MAS

Correction: The ball was seen as it made an exit from the smoke, not 50 yards. And it was not observed all the way to the target but rather the instant of impact was observed. It was a shoot and see target, so what was seen was the color change at the target. Would need pretty good eyes to see a 50 cal ball at 200 yards!

bob in the woods · « **Reply #20 on:** March 05, 2023, 10:26:11 PM »

We 've had instances here, given our humid summers, where you could see the vapour trail behind the ball as it travelled out to the 100 and 200 yard targets.
The conditions must be right, but it's an awesome sight when it happens.

Daryl · « **Reply #21 on:** March 05, 2023, 10:47:28 PM »

On our trail walk, target 13 is now a "steel heart", but used to be a fox target. The actual range is 92 yards. Oft times when watching the target with binocs,
I've seen the balls arcing to the target. I have observed balls from Hatchet Jack's 20 bore smoothie, fired with just 65gr. of 2F powder, arcing to the target only
to see them in the last few yards, arc sideways, or down (never up) and miss the target by 3'. At what range they are curving away, I do not know exactly. Of
course, while watching, they seem to do it in the last split second. What is also interesting that watching the balls from Norm's 20 bore, fired with 85gr. 3F GOEX,
there is ZERO arcing of the balls. They travel in a much shallower arc to the target and do not curve away from their trajectory. There is a lesson here, how many
here, will "get it"?

TDM · « **Reply #22 on:** March 16, 2023, 06:47:36 AM »

I’d be happy to still be able to see targets accurately at 100 yards with open sights, much less 200.

Dphariss · « **Reply #23 on:** April 05, 2023, 08:15:56 PM »

Wind will be the real issue.
100 gr of FFF (1900 fps) in my 54 with a tang sight it will stay on a 6” bull at 200 but the slightest breeze you feel will turn this into a 12” group or more.
Dan

Freedom · « **Reply #24 on:** April 10, 2023, 08:37:57 PM »

During last month's postal match at the little black crow. I hiked out and set a Target at 215 yards. I tried a few shots off hand and was hitting pretty close, so I took a rest over the cross sticks, and shot the last ball that I had with me.
Holding the front sight base exactly level with the top of the rear sight. The Target's in the distance under the little red arrow.
120gr 2ff
.015 pt soluble oil/H2o
.570 Wheel-Weight RB

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Author Topic: 200 yard shooting (Read 4437 times)