Author Topic: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle  (Read 5185 times)

Offline Dphariss

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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #75 on: February 04, 2020, 09:11:18 PM »
Don made this pair for A.J. White.
He told me he was going to make  pair of Mantons initially. He made them without SS triggers but reacquired them and then gave one to a friend and put a set trigger and cut the lock plate for a safety. The other pistol came back to him and they eventually came to me I put a SS in the other so they matched. Need to plug the lock plate on the one but have not done so yet.   54 caliber 1" Douglas barrels.

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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #76 on: February 04, 2020, 09:30:09 PM »
The only issue I have with the NRA video is at the end they state most of the early rifles that made their way west were stamped Hawken. Most of the "plains" rifles were of other manufacturers as they cost about 1/2 of what Sam & Jake got for theirs. If you had the money after getting outfitted with food, clothing, lead, powder, traps horses, mules and all the other sundry items needed if you could afford it you would get a Hawken. Just a small point of fact. As to there not being any surviving examples of flintlock, there had to be Sam & Jake were set up and were doing business before caps were readily available. They were some of the earliest advocates for cap locks and most of the flints either didn't survive or were converted to percussion at a later date.
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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #77 on: February 05, 2020, 12:37:51 AM »
Dan,
Those are nice pistols and they match well. I remember those pistols GRRW back in the late 70's I always thought those were pretty neat.
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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #78 on: February 05, 2020, 04:40:19 AM »
The only issue I have with the NRA video is at the end they state most of the early rifles that made their way west were stamped Hawken. Most of the "plains" rifles were of other manufacturers as they cost about 1/2 of what Sam & Jake got for theirs. If you had the money after getting outfitted with food, clothing, lead, powder, traps horses, mules and all the other sundry items needed if you could afford it you would get a Hawken. Just a small point of fact. As to there not being any surviving examples of flintlock, there had to be Sam & Jake were set up and were doing business before caps were readily available. They were some of the earliest advocates for cap locks and most of the flints either didn't survive or were converted to percussion at a later date.
Except the S Hawken FS that was originally FL in the Smithsonian>
While they were advocates of the percussion system, or so some say, the percussion system was not all that popular with many until well into the 1830s. About the time the Hawken most people would recognize was evolving.

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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #79 on: February 09, 2020, 01:14:42 AM »
First from scratch build for me from the late 1970s. This is the same one I'm holding in my avatar along with my first flintlock deer as well...that was in 1978. John Anderson from Tullahoma, Tennessee mentored me through this project. John always had a special talent for building Hawken rifles.






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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #80 on: February 09, 2020, 05:09:34 AM »
Very nice Robin,
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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2020, 06:20:41 AM »
I like it.
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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2020, 10:07:56 PM »
Yes- that is nicely done. Lovely gain structure in that rifle with perfect staining.
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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #83 on: February 12, 2020, 10:06:58 PM »
Robin, that is a nice rifle.  Your wood furniture is beautiful.  Did you make it?   Here is more info on original Hawken rifles, or copies of them, from a book by Carl P. Russell:


Did I mention that these original rifles were heavy?





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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #84 on: February 13, 2020, 02:21:23 AM »
I am fooling around with making parts and pieces at the moment for an English project but going to start a small bore Hawken squirrel soon.
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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #85 on: February 13, 2020, 02:21:43 AM »
By way of proof-testing a tutorial I wrote for Carney on how to post photos, I'll post one more.  Then I'll soon post the tutorial. 


This is a mule deer buck I killed with my .54 H&H barreled Kit Carson-inspired Hawken two years ago, rifle weighs 8 pounds.  One shot, off-hand at about 90 yards.  On my birthday today at age 87, I can still shoot this rifle.

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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #86 on: February 13, 2020, 04:00:59 AM »
Happy Birthday Herb.
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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #87 on: February 13, 2020, 04:23:29 AM »
Happy Birthday Herb !! :)
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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #88 on: February 13, 2020, 04:29:09 AM »
Happy Birthday Herb :)

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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #89 on: February 13, 2020, 06:26:37 AM »
Happy Birthday - it is a pleasure to read your posts. Thanks.

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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #90 on: February 13, 2020, 09:41:30 AM »
A little late but here's my left hand Hawken which is about a 52 caliber. It was custom made for someone else but it suits me fine having the lock on the correct side as well as the front trigger 15 inches from the middle of the butt plate.



The top one is Big Red, my cherry stocked semi-plains type rifle of mostly Lyman/Investarms parts; 54 caliber. The middle is my maple stocked
50 caliber Bown rifle reproduction and finally my walnut stocked, supposed to be .54 but it shoots a .520 round ball Hawken that nobody wanted so I got it cheap rifle.

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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #91 on: February 13, 2020, 09:24:59 PM »
A Hawken rifle I built several years ago.  54 caliber Bill Large barrel, Ron Long lock.







« Last Edit: February 13, 2020, 09:28:20 PM by Majorjoel »
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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #92 on: February 13, 2020, 11:37:42 PM »
Happy Birthday,  Herb!!

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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #93 on: February 13, 2020, 11:54:17 PM »
Nice looking rifles, guys.  Thanks for posting.
Herb

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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #94 on: February 14, 2020, 12:30:54 AM »
Happy Birthday Herb, hope you enjoy your day......thanks for all you do for the sport.

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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #95 on: February 14, 2020, 04:22:41 PM »
Happy birthday Herb.Just how many active octagenarians are still active on this forum?
Not just in making complete guns but in any capacity at all.I will hit 84 on March 27.
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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #96 on: February 14, 2020, 09:06:49 PM »
Hope it was a great day, Herb. Happy birthday. 87 & still shooting! well done.
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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #97 on: February 14, 2020, 09:38:47 PM »
Happy 87th Herb, it seems like yesterday that we used to shoot out at the old Cooperstown range.  :)

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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #98 on: February 14, 2020, 11:01:50 PM »
By way of proof-testing a tutorial I wrote for Carney on how to post photos, I'll post one more.  Then I'll soon post the tutorial. 


This is a mule deer buck I killed with my .54 H&H barreled Kit Carson-inspired Hawken two years ago, rifle weighs 8 pounds.  One shot, off-hand at about 90 yards.  On my birthday today at age 87, I can still shoot this rifle.



Happy birthday, Herb and thanks for your contributions to ALR.

Regarding the picture of the south end of the buck.  Is there another buck directly in front of him?  It looks like a bit of antler on the left side of the bucks head.
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Re: Lets see your Hawken/Plains Rifle
« Reply #99 on: February 14, 2020, 11:57:56 PM »
Yes, that is a second buck.
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